ABP News
Jeff Brumley
Friday, March 21, 2014
We are Confessional Calvinists and a Prayer Book Church-people. In 2012, we remembered the 350th anniversary of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer; also, we remembered the 450th anniversary of John Jewel's sober, scholarly, and Reformed "An Apology of the Church of England." In 2013, we remembered the publication of the "Heidelberg Catechism" and the influence of Reformed theologians in England, including Heinrich Bullinger's Decades. For 2014: Tyndale's NT translation. For 2015, John Roger, Rowland Taylor and Bishop John Hooper's martyrdom, burned at the stakes. Books of the month. December 2014: Alan Jacob's "Book of Common Prayer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Common-Prayer-Biography-Religious/dp/0691154813/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417814005&sr=8-1&keywords=jacobs+book+of+common+prayer. January 2015: A.F. Pollard's "Thomas Cranmer and the English Reformation: 1489-1556" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-English-Reformation-1489-1556/dp/1592448658/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420055574&sr=8-1&keywords=A.F.+Pollard+Cranmer. February 2015: Jaspar Ridley's "Thomas Cranmer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-Jasper-Ridley/dp/0198212879/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422892154&sr=8-1&keywords=jasper+ridley+cranmer&pebp=1422892151110&peasin=198212879
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Dr. Robert Godfrey is the president of Westminster Seminary California, professor of church history, and a Ligonier Ministries Teaching Fellow. He is a member of the board of Ligonier Ministries and the author of An Unexpected Journey and many other titles.
In his . . . recent book, The Passionate Intellect: Christian Faith and the Discipleship of the Mind, Alister McGrath discusses theology as a discipline that not only informs and sustains the Christian vision of reality, but also serves a passion of the mind to understand God’s nature and ways. While proposing that vibrant theology can have a positive impact on Christian life, worship and faith, McGrath also explores other benefits of theology that include a deeper engagement with the culture and concerns of the modern world.
I’d like to see every A team guy and SGM pastor take in some foster care kids who were abused and neglected, maybe raped and tortured. Let them deal with it for a few years and see how their legalistic gospel and rules works with it. They will discover a need for God like they have never known it before. The arrogance will break. The pride will be smashed. The easy answers will stop. The little bubble will stop. They will be begging the Holy Spirit to move and stripped of all their shepherding crap. The real gospel works for real problems, and SGM is not preaching the real gospel.OMG, 5 years, this is so true!!
To the so-called “average” SGM pastor –When I read JAASGMP’s first post, I gotta admit I was torn. I appreciated that he took the risk of coming here and posting, and I understood perhaps a bit of his frustration with not wanting to be lumped together with CJ and some of the other more silly-looking SGM leaders. I could get why he might be tired of having SGM’s widespread organizational weaknesses discussed, and then have the discussion reflect poorly upon himself and his own church, when he probably feels like he isn’t contributing to any of the problems.
You wrote — among your other thousands of words –
“But I must admit I’m a little tired of it all and just want to get back to serving and caring for the church that I dearly love.”Okay, what’s stopping you? Did someone “higher up” in your food chain coerce you to come here and sound off? Why would you think anyone here cares whether you are “tired of it all” or not? Don’t you think some of the “survivors” are tired of it all too? Get in line. Take a number. Some have been “tired of it all” lots longer than you have been around (that is, if you are “average”).
What is the moth-like attraction to the bright light of “Survivors”? Do you not have control of your mouse and your “Favorites” choices? Why not hang out somewhere else? Sorry, but I have an extremely low tolerance for people to come here (though it is open to all, apparently) and who start bringing correction. To that extent, maybe you are an “average” SGM-related guy. How about a bit of humility? How about coming in softly and quietly and as a learner, not an alleged, self-appointed “teacher.”
But I must admit I’m a little tired of it all and just want to get back to serving and caring for the church that I dearly love.As I read “Friendly Observer’s” comment, it suddenly hit me. JAASGMP is frustrated because he is sick of having SGM’s problems discussed and analyzed. Instead, he wants to “get back to serving and caring for the church that I dearly love.”
Greetings brothers and sisters…. I saw the post(s) from “JustanAveragesgmPastor” and was prompted in my spirit to respond. It is in Christ’s love and in continued sadness that I do so. I was a member of an SGM church for over 20 years. As I read what this pastor had to say, many times the words glared at me and sent chills through my soul. I’ve heard it all before. His post sums up some of the issues that make me “very sad”. The independent words and phrases say one thing, and “sound good”, but leave a different impression when seen as a part of the whole post. Sadly, after reading it, I honestly questioned in my spirit if the post was “rightly motivated” (these words were used by the pastor in his post along with “when I am hurt too.”) Much of the post sounded prideful, self-focused, self-defensive, self-serving and manipulative – I wish that were not what I gleaned, but it was. Many of the statements clearly go without saying, “Because one person or many people sin….does not mean ALL people ….do likewise.” O.K., I think we all know that. After he states his case, he then makes the following statement, “I’d be glad to answer your questions if I remember to come back to this site.” That is a perfect example of certain words being used, that do not ring true and may not be totally honest to oneself or others – I believe and sense in my spirit that he had every intention of coming back to the site and waited eagerly to see the feedback generated by his post. I know that may sound judgmental, but that is honestly what I sensed – and strongly. He felt the need to explain later how he could respond to the first comment regarding his post within less than an hour. “I was checking back in to see if my comment was posted and so i’ll reply as well.” Why would he feel the need to say that? All that was said had the feel of being carefully crafted while being sure to get his opinions/thoughts across – ones he maybe has been wanting to relay, but has not done so until now – why now? Perhaps because he is “a little tired of it all”? That is an honest question although I know it sounds sarcastic. I could not shake what I was sensing as I read the post and I have prayed about it.
Dear, dear “pastor”, please examine your motives, my friend. Do you honestly want to mediate/help or did you simply want to get your thoughts across on the blog, unload/relieve yourself? I truly think you should ask yourself and God this question. If it is the latter, do you “feel” better now? I pray not – and I pray the Holy Spirit will show you your true motive(s). I will take the liberty here of making a statement that we all know: we can do the right thing with the wrong motive and the wrong thing with the right motive. Posting here may seem to be the right thing, but was it done with the right motive? May the Lord help you, friend. From what I am sensing – and I could be wrong – you have shown all here that you still don’t get it and you won’t until you humble yourself and truly “see” with new eyes all that has been and is still WRONG even in your own post. “And I try to confess and grieve over the sins I’m aware of.” Don’t try, friend, ask the Lord to open your eyes and show you your sin (if you are unaware) and then confess, grieve and take whatever corrective action the Holy Spirit leads you to take. Pray, pray – pray long and hard – He will show you – I pray.
, in time, things did not go according to the leaders plans and the New Cart was de-gifted by God
. Apparently, God really did care HOW things were done and WHY

maybe try serving the Lord instead of SGM. There is no fatigue when serving God
Let everyone press onwards.
Tevye is an awesome character!
I know the Internet is Universal, but I didn’t realize the SGM debacle was! It is good to hear what the view is like from the UK!