Reformed Churchmen

We are Confessional Calvinists and a Prayer Book Church-people. In 2012, we remembered the 350th anniversary of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer; also, we remembered the 450th anniversary of John Jewel's sober, scholarly, and Reformed "An Apology of the Church of England." In 2013, we remembered the publication of the "Heidelberg Catechism" and the influence of Reformed theologians in England, including Heinrich Bullinger's Decades. For 2014: Tyndale's NT translation. For 2015, John Roger, Rowland Taylor and Bishop John Hooper's martyrdom, burned at the stakes. Books of the month. December 2014: Alan Jacob's "Book of Common Prayer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Common-Prayer-Biography-Religious/dp/0691154813/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417814005&sr=8-1&keywords=jacobs+book+of+common+prayer. January 2015: A.F. Pollard's "Thomas Cranmer and the English Reformation: 1489-1556" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-English-Reformation-1489-1556/dp/1592448658/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420055574&sr=8-1&keywords=A.F.+Pollard+Cranmer. February 2015: Jaspar Ridley's "Thomas Cranmer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-Jasper-Ridley/dp/0198212879/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422892154&sr=8-1&keywords=jasper+ridley+cranmer&pebp=1422892151110&peasin=198212879

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Monday, August 26, 2013

Mr. John Foxe's Martyrs, Numbers 1520-1555, & Salute to Joel Osteen



Foxe, John. The New Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. Gainesville, FL: Bridge-Logos Publishers, 2001.

The very fallible effort at counting continues as we read. # = martyr number. We have martyrs #1520 to #1555.  Please be advised that we have a profound snark-contempt alert, at the bottom, a you-tube salute to Mr. Osteen.  But, now for Foxe's list.

#1520. 23 February 303. In Nicomedia, the eastern capital of Diocletian’s (eastern) Roman Empire, he issued the Empire-wide edict to “eliminate Christianity from the Empire,” including the “burning of books” and the leveling of “Christian buildings.” All Christians were to “be arrested as traitors to the empire.”

Every Christian was arrested and imprisoned in Nicomedia. Mr. Foxe claims that 1000s were martyrs, but offers no sources (31). We’re up to #1520 in our very fallible effort at counting. We'll add #1, but the numbers are probably higher.

These things are difficult to envision for insular and self-absorbed Westerners, but think of rabid Islamo-fascists. Or, Boko Haram in Nigeria. Or, Stalinist purges. Or, Hitler's genocide. Or, the Kmer Rouge in 1975. Or, our manifold wickednesses with the abortion holocaust.

Of note, he tells us that several provincial governors wrote Diocletian: “…such conduct on the part of Romans was improper.”

Many had their ears cut off, noses slit, or had one/two eyes put out.

#1521. Sebastian. He was an officer in the Emperor’s guard at Rome. He refused to recant. He was shot with arrows. He was buried in the Roman catacombs.

#1522. Vitus. He was taught and nurtured in the Christian faith by his nurse. His father was incensed and attempted to get his son to recant. As a propitiation, he offered his son as a sacrifice on June 14, 303.

#1523-1526. Victor in Rome. Bound, dragged through the streets, stoned, and imprisoned. His witness led to his 3 jailers being converted. All four were beheaded.

#1527-#1529. Maximus, the provincial governor of Cilicia, visited Tarsus. He repeatedly examined Tarchus, Probus, and Andronicus. They would not recant. His put them in the amphitheater. The attack animals would not attack. He pulled them out and slew them by sword.

#1530. Romanus was a deacon in Caesarea, the Roman capital of Palestine. He was taken to Antioch. Scourged, racked, torn with hooks, and strangled.

#1532. Susanna, a niece to Caius, an bishop in Rome, refused to marry a pagan noble as ordered by Diocletian. Beheaded.

#1533. Peter, a servant of Diocletian. He ridiculed the pagan gods. By order of Diocletian, he was “tortured with the greatest severity” (33). He died in prison of wounds.

#1534. Eulalia. She ridiculed the pagan gods. Mode of death not identified by Mr. Foxe.

#1535. Presbyter Valerius and his Deacon Vincent were chained and imprisoned by the Roman governor of Tarragona, Spain. For an unknown reason, he let Valerius go, but racked the Deacon. Vincent had joint-dislocation and died in prison of his injuries on January 22, 304. St. Vincent is remember in the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, listed for January 22.

#1536-#1538. Three sisters murdered in Thessalonica on March 25, 304: Agape, Chionia, and Irene burned to death.

#1539-#1543. In North Africa, Saturninus and 4 children jailed and starved to death.

#1544-#1547. Four Churchmen died in Rome at the whipping post for speaking against idol worship. They were employees of the city of Rome: Victorius, Carpophorus, Severus, Severianus.

#1548-#1549. Deacon Timothy and his wife, Maura, newlyweds, were crucified in the Roman province of Mauritania. Deacon Timothy was responsible for Holy Scriptures in the church.

The governor ordered up the Scriptures. Timothy replied: “If I had children, I would sooner turn them over to you to be sacrificed than I would the Word of God.”


The enraged governor ordered his eyes be burned out with a red hot iron, saying, “The books will at least be useless to you, for you will have no eyes with which to read later.”

He remained constant in the faith. The governor crucified the Deacon and his wife. 


 #1550-#1554. Diocletian orders the Roman governor of Tuscany, his family and Sabinus scourged to death. Sabinus was the bishop of Assisium in Tuscany. He refused to sacrifice to Jupiter, the supreme deity in the pan-pluralist-you-name-it-you-got-it-religion of Rome. The provincial Governor involved preliminarily in examining Sabinus was converted along with his family. Diocletian put them all to death by scourging.

#1555. In Caesaria, Pamphilus, was arrested, tortured, and put to death. He was reputed to be a 2nd Origen. He translated Origen’s works and an Old Testament manuscript. The infamous Eusebius, author of the Ecclesiastical History and The Life of Constantine and an attendee at Nicaea, was his assistant. Pamphilus established a public library in Caesarea and was known for charitable works.

A profound snark alert at:  


 Satire-snark-utter-contempt alert. Christian Martyrs Tweet Joel Osteen.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA_wWmVlypg
 

Tuesday, April 9, 2013

(Christian Post): Offical Coroner's Report on Rick Warren's Son: Self-Inflicted Gunshot Wound

http://www.christianpost.com/news/coroners-report-on-rick-warrens-son-cause-of-death-self-inflicted-gun-shot-wound-93495/

Coroner's Report on Rick Warren's Son: Cause of Death Self-Inflicted Gunshot Wound


 
matthew warren
  • (Photo: Saddleback Church)
    Matthew Warren, son of pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif.

By Alex Murashko, Christian Post Reporter
April 8, 2013|6:19 pm

SANTA ANA, Calif. – An official autopsy report released today by the Orange County Coroner's Office concluded that Matthew Warren, the 27-year-old son of Pastor Rick Warren, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound last Friday.

"The autopsy today was completed today on Matthew Warren, 27, of Mission Viejo. The cause of death is a self-inflicting gunshot wound," O.C. Sheriff's Department Office spokeswoman Gail Krause told The Christian Post over the phone, reading from the official statement.

Krause said she did not expect any other announcement coming from the sheriff's department.


Rick Warren notified his church about the tragedy early Saturday morning by email. He shared that no words could express the anguished grief that he and his family, including wife, Kay, are feeling.


"Over the past 33 years we've been together through every kind of crisis. Kay and I've been privileged to hold your hands as you faced a crisis or loss, stand with you at gravesides, and prayed for you when ill. Today, we need your prayer for us," began the staff email from him.

Warren described Matthew as "an incredibly kind, gentle, and compassionate man," as those who grew up with him would also say.


"He had a brilliant intellect and a gift for sensing who was most in pain or most uncomfortable in a room. He'd then make a bee-line to that person to engage and encourage them," he continued. "But only those closest knew that he struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided. Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life."

Matthew Warren's death has sparked a national discussion, especially among Christian leaders, about mental illness and how believers should handle the topic and treat those affected by the illness.

The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, who is the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, said the tragic incident calls for a commitment by Christians to help create space for and minister to those with mental illnesses.

"This tragedy facilitates an opportunity if not an obligation for the Christian community to address mental illness," said Rodriguez on the day Warren made the announcement about his son.

Mental illness exists in and outside of the church community, said Rodriguez. "Christians struggle with depression and even suicidal thoughts. It does not make you less of a Christian. Just like heart disease or cancer does not dilute our Christianity, neither does mental illness."

However, Rodriguez added, "we must stand committed to 'creating space' and providing ministry to those that struggle with depression, and other mental illnesses." He suggested the church of Jesus Christ should partner with medical professionals to bring attention to "this silent illness with grace, compassion and love."

Over the weekend, Associate Senior Pastor Tom Holladay, who is Warren's brother-in-law, gave a sermon on coping with tragedy. He also discussed how the church will move forward.

"We are going to weep with those who weep and attack evil," Holladay said during his sermon. "We are family and we are going to walk through this together."

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/coroners-report-on-rick-warrens-son-cause-of-death-self-inflicted-gun-shot-wound-93495/#1XUohVpUFzLof5Of.99

Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Hillbilly Religion: Youth Perspectives on Church

Our British friend, Church Campanologist (CC), has posted an insightful view on “Youth Perspectives” and the Church.   CC has posted at:  http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/youthful-perspectives-on-the-church/   Can anyone say “Mark Driscoll” as a “youthful perspective" on the Church?  Can anyone say "Rick Warren," "Joel Osteen," and many others? Or, from a historic perspective, the “youth perspectives” from Hillbilly religionists arriving in the 20th century?   Alot of this new stuff is a variation on a theme:  Hillbilly Religion. RA is ruthless here with regularity and justification. Anyways, here’s CC.

Youthful perspectives on the Church
Earlier this year, a Mars Hill Church (Seattle) member, Jeff Bethke, made a popular YouTube video about the problem with today’s Christianity and its adherents:

Bethke is half-right and half-misguided. As Brian — a reader of the White Horse Inn blog — noted:

The insidious nature of self-justification is brought out well here. Although the “rapper” thinks he’s denouncing works righteousness, he’s actually practicing it – and the worst possible way because he thinks he understands grace.

‘J Fisk’, a young Lutheran (LCMS) pastor (it seems), posted a response in a similar style, noting Bethke’s correct observations about Christianity and correcting his errors:

Back to the post at the White Horse Inn blog and the commentary there:

One of the really encouraging things today is seeing people raised in “moralistic-therapeutic-deism” coming to understand and embrace the gospel. At the same time, the antithesis between “religion” and “grace” (or being “spiritual but not religious”) is still trapped in its own kind of moralism. It fails to recognize that Christ came to fulfill rather than abolish the Law and religion. If religion is a community with certain doctrines and practices, then certainly Christianity is a religion. It’s bad religion that Jesus abolishes, because he gives himself as the Life of the world in the gospel through preaching and sacrament. Take away this religion and you are just left once again with a religion of your own making.

Thursday, May 10, 2012

Mohler & Warren in Twitter-Clash: Warren Demands Apology from Mohler

          Big Al Mohler and Big Rick Warren, Revivalist Spartans, yeah, Mega-Apes fighting, are engaging in a twitter-fight over Big Al’s tweet yesterday about megachurches as the new platform for 19th-20th century liberalism.  Big Rick wants an apology from Big Al.  These two Anabaptist titans spar for visibility, influence, numbers and  market-shares.
          We covered Big Al’s note at:  http://reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com/2012/05/doctrinal-ignorance-megachurch-new.html.  We believe Big Al has registered an excellent and justified invasion into Big Rick's space.  Big Rick doesn't like the "trespass" onto his sacred territory.  He views the "invasion" as actionable.  Big Rick apprehends harm from Big Al's reproach. Yet, is “Big Rick” known for his advocacy of Biblical, doctrinal and historical literacy?  Perhaps personally, but not publicly.  In contrast, at least Big Al is known for advocacy of literacy.
          Big Rick has a notoriously thin skin when it comes to criticism or a trespass onto or into his fiefdom wherein he rules.  Big Rick is a Pastorpreneur at his Starbuck's mega-mall.  He gets sensitive when his child and grandchildren, that is, megachurchdom, dumb-it-down-doctrinal Pastors, Pastorpreneurs, numbers, visibility, and influence are put on report.  Big apes pound their chests in displays of territoriality. At least Bill Hybels had the decency to note that megachurchdom in his neck of the woods produced doctrinally illiterate people. 
          Authoritarianism with Warren and some of his followers has not always been afar off as some witnesses attest when installing the “church growth model.”  Challenge “Big Rick’s” model and be prepared to be cut down. Twitter-critics of Big Rick are routinely blocked. Tim Challies has born witness to the heavy-handed tactics of "church growthers" following Big Rick's model.  So have many others.
          Wait a minute, is it not disrespectful to call these Christian leaders “Big Al” and “Big Rick?”  No, we do not believe it is.  However, we will affirm the objection in part and deny the objection in part.  In the denial, it is justifiable satire and useful truths that service a recalibration, context and perspective.  Compared to church history, both are small.  Ergo, the satire is suitable.  Rick Warren compared to John Calvin?  Al Mohler compared to Thomas Aquinas or Augustine?  Or, compared to the martyrs who died for the faith?  Compared to Cranmer, Ridley, Latimer, Hooper, Rogers, Coverdale, Tyndale and others?  Since, use of the terms "Big Al" and "Big Rick" are objectionable to some, we will affirm the objection.  To satisfy the objection to the terms "Big Al" and "Big Rick," we will say affirmatively “Little Al” and “Little Rick.”  Hence, we affirm in part and deny in part.  These two, like all of us, are quite "small" as Isaiah reminds us (Isaiah 40) as well as quite exalted, or high, being seated with Christ in the heavenlies (Eph. 2.4ff). 
          Here is the update on the Twitter-Titans clashing, bashing, and mashing.   On this score, we must side with "Big Al" or "Little Al," as you deem best.  The megachurchers like "Big Rick" or "Little Rick" (as deemed best), we believe, are the new 19th and 20th centuries liberals.  We believe time will vindicate this prophecy.
          Here is the story from "Christian Post."
Warren Asks Mohler to Apologize for Megachurch Headline

By Lillian Kwon , Christian Post Reporter
May 2, 2012|6:22 pm
A prominent evangelical's recent blog headline – "Is the Megachurch the New Liberalism?" – has irked Pastor Rick Warren, who is calling for an apology for the "sensational" title.
Warren, founder of Saddleback Church, sent a tweet to Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, on Tuesday, saying: "A TITLE questioning 1000s of churches' orthodoxy due to size is unChristlike.U need to apologize to pastors Al."
In a blog post Tuesday, Mohler described the emergence and growth of the megachurch (which draw at least 2,000 in attendance) and acknowledged that they have "helped to anchor conservative Christianity" in the United States.
At the same time, he noted that some megachurches have adapted to the ever-changing American culture, abandoning certain biblical truths.
Mohler went on to express concerns over a recent message preached by Andy Stanley, pastor of North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, Ga. As he described the account of a gay couple, Stanley mentioned the sin of adultery (one partner was still married to his wife) but did not affirm the sinfulness of homosexuality.
"The inescapable impression left by the account was that the sin of concern was adultery, but not homosexuality," Mohler wrote, adding that he hopes Stanley will clarify his view on the issue.
"We must embrace the truth with the humility of a sinner saved only by grace, but we must embrace it fully," he added. "Once again, the megachurches are on the leading edge. We must pray that they will lead into faithfulness, and not into a new liberalism."
Taking issue with the title of the blog, Warren commented: "@albertmohler Would a sensational blog title 'Are THE Seminaries the New Liberals?' be fair if 1 seminary pres. messed up?"
In response, Mohler tweeted back: "@RickWarren Glad to hear from you, Rick. I would certainly not be offended by that title ... In fact, I might use it. Megathanks."
Notably, both Warren and Mohler are megachurch pastors and belong to the Southern Baptist Convention. They both affirm that homosexuality is a sin.
While some have responded to Warren's tweets saying there was no blanket accusation against megachurches in Mohler's blog, one researcher did agree that the headline was unfair.
"As Rick Warren tweeted, it is unfair to paint all mega pastors with the Stanley brush or for that matter, the Schuller, the Long or the Osteen brush," Scott Thumma, who specializes in research on megachurches, stated to The Christian Post.
"As a group, megachurches are a big target, but it doesn't help the Christian cause either to accuse indirectly 1,500 faithful pastors and 6-7 million attendees with the 'L' word on the basis of one pastor's issue."
In the midst of debate over blog headlines, however, one Shawnee, Okla., pastor said the issue of churches neglecting biblical truth should not be forgotten.
"Yes, there are many pastors of megachurches who are faithful to the Bible (as Mohler noted), but the reality is that there are many, not just one, who are not. The pressures of the culture are making doctrinal faithfulness too challenging for many. That was Mohler's point- and one that should be well received," Dr. Todd Fisher, pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church, wrote in a blog Wednesday.
Stanley delivered the account of the gay couple last month during his 8-part message series titled "Christian." He told CP that he may issue a statement on the matter but requested that people listen to the entire series, which concludes this weekend.

Doctrinal Ignorance: Megachurch the New Liberalism & Anti-Intellectualism



Is the Megachurch the New Liberalism?

By R. Albert Mohler, Jr. , Christian Post Guest Columnist

May 1, 2012|9:05 am
"I love being a doctrinal, historical,
and theological illiterate!"
The emergence of the megachurch as a model of metropolitan ministry is one of the defining marks of evangelical Christianity in the United States. Megachurches - huge congregations that attract thousands of worshipers - arrived on the scene in the 1970s and quickly became engines of ministry development and energy.
Over the last 40 years, the megachurch has made its presence known, often dominating the Christian landscape within the nation's metropolitan regions. The megachurch came into dominance at the same time that massive shopping malls became the landmarks of suburban consumer life. Sociologists can easily trace the rise of megachurches within the context of America's suburban explosion and the development of the technologies and transportation systems that made both the mall and the megachurch possible.
On the international scene, huge congregations can be found in many African nations and in nations such as Brazil, South Korea, and Australia. In London, where the megachurch can trace its roots back in the 19th century to massive urban congregations such as Charles Spurgeon's Metropolitan Tabernacle, a few modern megachurches can be found. For the most part, however, the suburban evangelical megachurch is an American phenomenon.
Theologically, most megachurches are conservative in orientation, at least in a general sense. In America, a large number of megachurches are associated with the charismatic movement and denominations such as the Assemblies of God. Many are independent, though often loosely associated with other churches. The largest number of megachurches within one denomination is found within the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest non-Catholic denomination.
The emergence of the megachurch was noted by sociologists and church researchers attempting to understand the massive shifts that were taking place in the last decades of the 20th century. Researchers such as Dean M. Kelley of the National Council of Churches traced the decline of the liberal denominations that once constituted the old Protestant "mainline." This decline was contrasted with remarkable growth among more conservative denominations and churches - a pattern traced in Kelley's 1973 landmark book, Why Conservative Churches Are Growing. Kelley argued that conservative churches were growing precisely because of their strict doctrine and moral teachings. The early megachurches were the leading edge of the growth among conservative churches, especially in metropolitan and suburban settings.
The megachurches were not without their critics. Theologian David Wells leveled a massive critique of the doctrinal minimalism, methodological pragmatism, and managerial culture of many megachurches. Os Guiness accused the megachurch movement of "flirting with modernity" to a degree that put the Christian identity of the massive congregations at risk.
On the other hand, there is evidence that the megachurches have also helped to anchor conservative Christianity within the social cauldron of the United States in recent decades. The evangelistic energies of most megachurches cannot be separated from a deep commitment to conversionist theology and conservative doctrinal affirmations. Within the Southern Baptist Convention, megachurches played an essential role in what became known as the Conservative Resurgence - the movement to return the Convention and its institutions to an affirmation of biblical inerrancy. The most intense years of this controversy (1979-1990) saw the Convention elect an unbroken stream of conservative megachurch pastors as SBC president. In the main, the megachurches provided the platform leadership for the movement, even as the churches themselves became symbols of denominational aspiration.
Sociologically, the megachurch model faces real challenges in the present and even greater challenges in the future. The vast suburban belts that fueled megachurch growth in the last few decades are no longer the population engines they once were. Furthermore, cultural changes, demographic realities, and technological innovations have led to the development of megachurch modifications such as churches with multiple locations and sermons by video transmission. From the beginning, the megachurches led in the embrace of new technologies, and these now include the full array of digital and social media.
What about theology? This question requires a look at the massive shifts in worldview now evident within American culture. Trends foreseen by researchers such as James Davison Hunter of the University of Virginia and others can now be seen in full flower. The larger culture has turned increasingly hostile to exclusivist truth claims such as the belief that faith in Christ is necessary for salvation. One megachurch pastor in Florida recently told me that the megachurches in his area were abandoning concern for biblical gender roles on a wholesale basis. As one pastor told him, you cannot grow a church and teach biblical complementarianism. Even greater pressure is now exerted by the sexual revolution in general, and, more particularly, the question of homosexuality.
The homosexuality question was preceded by the challenge of divorce. By and large, the story of evangelical Christianity in the United States since the advent of legal no-fault divorce has been near total capitulation. This is certainly true of the megachurches, but it is unfair to single them out in this failure. The reality is that the "Old First Church" and smaller congregational models were fully complicit - and for the same basic reason. Holding to strict biblical teachings on divorce is extremely costly. For the megachurches, the threat was being called judgmental, and the perceived danger of failing to reach the burgeoning numbers of divorced persons inhabiting metropolitan areas. For smaller churches the issue was the same, though usually more intimate. Divorced persons were more likely to have family members and friends within the congregation who were reluctant to confront the issue openly. Church discipline disappeared and personal autonomy reigned triumphant.
Is the same pattern now threatening on the issue of homosexuality? No congregation will escape this question, but the megachurches are, once again, on the leading edge. The challenge is hauntingly similar to that posed by divorce. Some churches are openly considering how they can minister most faithfully, even as the public and private challenge of homosexuality and alternative sexual lifestyles has radically transformed the cultural landscape. Other churches, both large and small, are renegotiating their stance on the issue without drawing attention to the changes.
A shot now reverberating around the evangelical world was fired by Atlanta megachurch pastor Andy Stanley in recent days. Preaching at North Point Community Church, in a sermon series known as "Christian," Stanley preached a message titled "When Gracie Met Truthy" on April 15, 2012. With reference to John 1:14, Stanley described the challenge of affirming grace and truth in full measure. He spoke of grace and truth as a tension, warning that "if you resolve it, you give up something important."
The message was insightful and winsome, and Andy Stanley is a master communicator. Early in the message he spoke of homosexuals in attendance, mentioning that some had shared with him that they had come to North Point because they were tired of messages in gay-affirming churches that did nothing but affirm homosexuality.
Then, in the most intense part of his message, Stanley told the congregation an account meant to illustrate his message. He told of a couple with a young daughter who divorced when the wife discovered that the husband was in a sexual relationship with another man. The woman then insisted that her former husband and his gay partner move to another congregation. They did move, but to another North Point location, where they volunteered together as part of a "host team." The woman later told Andy Stanley that her former husband and his partner were now involved as volunteers in the other congregational location.
The story took a strange turn when Stanley then explained that he had learned that the former husband's gay partner was still married. Stanley then explained that the partner was actually committing adultery, and that the adultery was incompatible with his service on a host team. Stanley told the two men that they could not serve on the host team so long as the one man was still married. He later told of the former wife's decision not to live in bitterness, and of her initiative to bring the whole new family structure to a Christmas service. This included the woman, her daughter, her former husband, his gay partner, and his daughter. Stanley celebrated this new "modern family" as an expression of forgiveness.
He concluded by telling of Christ's death for sinners and told the congregation that Jesus does not condemn them, even if they cannot or do not leave their life of sin.
Declaring the death of Christ as atonement for sin is orthodox Christianity and this declaration is essential to the Gospel of Christ. The problem was that Stanley never mentioned faith or repentance - which are equally essential to the Gospel. There is indeed no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, but this defines those who have acted in repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). As for those who are not in Christ, they stand condemned already (John 3:18).
The most puzzling and shocking part of the message was the illustration and the account of the homosexual couple, however. The inescapable impression left by the account was that the sin of concern was adultery, but not homosexuality. Stanley clearly and repeatedly stressed the sin of adultery, but then left the reality of the homosexual relationship between the two men unaddressed as sin. To the contrary, he seemed to normalize their relationship. They would be allowed to serve on the host team if both were divorced. The moral status of their relationship seemed to be questioned only in terms of adultery, with no moral judgment on their homosexuality.
Was this intended as a salvo of sorts? The story was so well told and the message so well constructed that there can be little doubt of its meaning. Does this signal the normalization of homosexuality at North Point Community Church? This hardly seems possible, but it appeared to be the implication of the message. Given the volatility of this issue, ambiguity will be replaced by clarity one way or the other, and likely sooner than later.
We can only hope that Andy Stanley and the church will clarify and affirm the biblical declaration of the sinfulness of homosexual behavior, even as he preaches the forgiveness of sin in any form through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. His affirmation of grace and truth in full measure is exactly right, but grace and truth are not actually in tension. The only tension is our finite ability to act in full faithfulness. The knowledge of our sin is, in truth, a gift of grace. And grace is only grace because of the truth of what God has done for us in Christ.
And yet, even as we know this is true, we also know that the Christian church has often failed miserably in demonstrating grace to those who struggle with same-sex attractions and those who are involved in homosexual behaviors. We have treated them as a special class of sinners and we have assured ourselves of our moral superiority. The Gospel of Jesus Christ destroys that pretension and calls for us to reach out to all sinners with the message of the Gospel, declaring the forgiveness of sins in Christ and calling them to faith and repentance.
The Gospel is robbed of its power if any sinner or any sin is declared outside it's saving power. But the Gospel is also robbed of its power if sin - any sin - is minimized to any degree.
What does Andy Stanley now believe about homosexuality and the church's witness? We must pray that he will clarify the issues so graphically raised in his message, and that he will do so in a way the unambiguously affirms the Bible's clear teachings - and that he will do so precisely because he loves sinners enough to tell them the truth - all the truth - about both our sin and God's provision in Christ. Biblical faithfulness simply does not allow for the normalization of homosexuality. We desperately want all persons to feel welcome to hear the Gospel and, responding in faith and repentance, to join with us in mutual obedience to Christ. But we cannot allow anyone, ourselves included, to come to Christ - or to church - on our own terms.
The current cultural context creates barriers to the Gospel even as it offers temptations. One of those temptations is to use the argument that our message has to change in order to reach people. This was the impetus of theological liberalism's origin. Liberals such as Harry Emerson Fosdick claimed that the Christian message would have to change or the church would lose all intellectual credibility in the modern world. Fosdick ended up denying the Gospel and transforming the message of the Cross into psychology. Norman Vincent Peale came along and made this transformation even more appealing to a mass audience. Fosdick and Peale have no shortage of modern heirs.
Theological liberalism did not set out to destroy Christianity, but to save it from itself. Is the same temptation now evident? The Great Commission, we must remind ourselves, is not a command merely to reach people, but to make disciples. And disciples are only made when the church teaches all that Christ has commanded, as the Great Commission makes clear.
The megachurches are once again on the leading edge of these questions, but they are not alone. The urgency to reach people with the Gospel can, if the church is not faithful and watchful, tempt us to subvert the Gospel by redefining its terms. We are not honest if we do not admit that the current cultural context raises the cost of declaring the Gospel on its own terms.
Given their size and influence, the megachurches have an outsize responsibility. I am a member and a teaching pastor in a megachurch, and I am thankful for its faithfulness. I know a host of faithful megachurch pastors who are prepared to pay whatever cost may come for the sake of the Gospel. I know that my own denomination was regained for biblical fidelity under the leadership of brave megachurch pastors, who used their pulpits to defend the truth. We desperately need these churches as both theological anchors and missiological laboratories.
The times now demand our most careful and biblical thinking, and our clearest conviction matched to a missiological drive to reach the world with the Gospel. We must embrace the truth with the humility of a sinner saved only by grace, but we must embrace it fully.
Once again, the megachurches are on the leading edge. We must pray that they will lead into faithfulness, and not into a new liberalism.


Tuesday, May 8, 2012

Evangelical Loons: Billy Graham, Schuller, & Riccy Warren

Silva, an American Anabaptist, calls out Graham, Schuller, Rick Warren and other ignorant inclusivists of small intellectual, confessional, historical or biblical attainments.  Silva has an argument, although he, himself, is an Anabaptist with problems. Here's Silva.

http://apprising.org/2012/05/08/john-macarthur-on-roman-catholicism-billy-graham-and-evangelical-inclusivism/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+apprising%2F2+%28Apprising+Ministries%29

JOHN MACARTHUR ON ROMAN CATHOLICISM, BILLY GRAHAM, AND “EVANGELICAL” INCLUSIVISM


 
Apprising Ministries brings you the audio clip below where Dr. John MacArthur gives some background on the current apostasy in which evangelicals are now accepting apostate Roman Catholicism as genuine Christianity. He also quotes from the transcript of an appearance by Billy Graham on Hour of Power with Robert Schuller.
This is program #1426 entitled Say “Yes” To Possibility Thinking, which was originally broadcast May 31, 1997:
Schuller: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?
Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer–you know, I think there’s the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name.

And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.

Schuller: What, what I hear you saying that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?

Graham: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they’ve believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they’ve tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.

Schuller: I’m so thrilled to hear you say this. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.

Graham: There is. There definitely is.
Below is the segment with Billy Graham and his friend Robert Schuller referenced above. See it for yourself:

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Well, the sad fact is this “Evangelical” Inclusivism is Older Than You Think. And it’s also the root rot of the Church Growth Movement as evidenced e.g. by sinful Southern Baptist ecumenicist Rick Warren and his Emergent counterpart Living Spiritual Teacher and EC guru Brian McLaren who’re following Graham’s footsteps.

For example, Warren has said, “It really doesn’t matter your denomination, folks. We’re all on the same team if you love Jesus.”[1] And McLaren has opined that if people are “happy being Muslim, or Buddhist or Jewish or atheist,” he doesn’t think it’s right to try to “shoe-horn them out of their religion” into Christianity.[2]


That’s why John MacArthur is dead-on-target in what he says about this evangelical inclusivism below:

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End notes:
[1] http://bit.ly/L3VkR7, accessed 5/8/12.
[2] http://bit.ly/IWeMmq, accessed 5/8/12.

Sunday, March 25, 2012

Mark Driscoll (And Others): Masters of Irrelevance, Irreverence, and Bad Manners

Christian Worldview offers these critiques on Mark Driscoll, the Anabaptacostalist.  http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/1613 Oh how we tire of these non-Reformed and non-Anglican noise-makers.  This is dated to Jan 2009, but it has relevance.

 

When Relevance Becomes Irreverence – The Curious Case of Mark Driscoll


Posted by | Saturday, January 17, 2009 | 8:00 am CT
LISTEN NOW:
Guest: Cathy Mickels


Being “relevant” to your audience is the big buzzword in Evangelical and Emergent churches today. Whether it’s dressing down to look like “one of them” or playing “edgy” music or using Hollywood movies as sermon examples or preaching “30 days of sex with your spouse”, being relevant and “contextualizing” your message is seen to be as important as sound doctine (if that’s important anymore).
One of the more curious examples of this rush towards relevance is Mark Driscoll, popular author and preaching pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle that attracts 7500 attendees to seven church locations each week and who also has an enormous following world-wide. Why Driscoll is a “curious case” is that he describes himself as “Emerging Reformed” which I would define as sort of merging Reformation theology with urban culturalism. So what’s the big deal?


Well, you can read for yourself what author Cathy Mickels from Seattle reports in a memo this week highlighting concerns about Driscoll’s so-called relevant ministry and the association well-known church leaders like John Piper, Erwin Lutzer, Alistair Begg, and others have with him as part of “The Gospel Coalition“. You can also click on the links below to YouTube videos of Mark Driscoll (viewer warning advised).


When is “the line” crossed between relevance and irreverence? How are the younger generation and the unchurched to be reached without someone and some message they can relate to? You won’t want to miss Hour 1 of The Christian Worldview this Saturday.
Follow-up radio program on March 28, 2009: The Pornification of the Pulpit. Guest: Phil Johnson


MEMO BY CATHY MICKELS:
Mark Driscoll: Is He Qualified To Lead?


Thursday, March 8, 2012

Rick Warren: Double-Speak and Fibbing with Diluted Theology? Or Media Hype? Warren a Theological Pick-pocketter?


http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/newspaper-catches-rick-warren-fibbing/

WND EXCLUSIVE

Newspaper catches Rick Warren fibbing?

Says Saddleback confirmed its report on 'Chrislam' accurate

When an Orange County Register article about Rev. Rick Warren of Saddleback Church’s mission to heal differences between evangelical Christians and Muslims was published, some of the pastor’s critics saw it as more evidence of a blurry vision of “Chrislam,” a blending of Christianity and Islam, despite his repeated denials.


The Feb. 23 article cited Saddleback documents that see similarities between Christianity and Islam. One co-authored by Jihad Turk of the Christian-Muslim Consultative Group in Los Angeles and Abraham Meulenberg, pastor of Interfaith Outreach at Saddleback claims the two religions “worship the same God.”
While many supporters of Warren insist that claims in the article are false, the Register reporter and an editor at the paper told WND that Saddleback Church leadership confirmed that the article was “factually accurate.”

“Folks at Saddleback initially made but then withdrew a request for a clarification to the story’s first paragraph,” reporter Jim Hinch told WND in an email.


“Instead of the words ‘Muslims and Christians worship the same God’ they wanted the story to read ‘Muslims and Christians believe that God is one.’ The rest of the story, they said, is factually accurate.”


WND calls and emails to Warren were not returned.
Despite his staff’s acknowledgement to the Register that the article is factually accurate, Warren denied claims in the article by pointing the finger at the reporter for “getting it wrong.”


“This is an example of why I always doubt what I read in newspapers and blogs about ministries,” Warren said in a statement sent to church members.


“Secular reporters trying to cover churches and theological issues often get it wrong,” he said.


“But then Christian bloggers, instead of contacting the ministry, blindly believe, quote and repost the errors made by secular reporters. Then those errors become permanent, searchable, and global on the Internet,” he continued.


“I couldn’t count the number of times a secular reporter has gotten a story about Saddleback wrong but then it is perpetuated by Christians who never fact-check. And the three factors I mentioned about the Internet make it impossible to correct all the misperceptions, and outright lies that get repeated over and over.”


The Register’s Hinch, who has worked as a senior editor at Guideposts magazine, told WND that numerous pastors at Saddleback were contacted about his article, and each one of them told him Warren would not be made available for comment for the story.


One pastor even emailed Hinch to say that “leadership decided they don’t want the work of King’s Way to be published.”


“King’s Way” is a document that was a central focus of the Register story.


The document was unveiled at Saddleback Church in December to an interfaith audience of more than 300 Muslims and Christians. It reportedly was co-authored by Meulenberg and Turk.


The five-page document, which outlined similarities between the two religions, was introduced through a slide presentation at the event.


Under the heading “A Path to End the 1,400 Years of Misunderstanding Between Muslims and Christians,” the presentation included Bible verses and Quran verses side by side to make the case that the God for both religions are one in the same.


One example was titled “Who we believe in,” followed by

“God is the Creator – Genesis 1:1, Al Shura 42:11″

The two verses read:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1
“The originator of the heavens and the earth…” – Al Shura 42:11

Another example was titled “God is One,” followed by “Mark 12:29, Muhammed 47:19″

The verses say:
“And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear O’ Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” – Mark 12:29
“So know that there is no Diety except Allah” – Muhammed 47:19


Hinch told WND that he obtained a copy of the “King’s Way” document from a confidential source on the condition that it not be published in its entirety.


He said the document “outlines several areas of theological agreement between Christians and Muslims and commits members of both faiths to three goals: becoming friends; making peace; and sharing ‘the blessings of God’ with others.”


“The Register story based the phrases ‘same God’ and ‘one God’ on the phrasing in this document, which states that Christians and Muslims believe in one God,” Hinch said.
WND’s repeated requests to Saddleback for a copy of the document went unanswered.


After the Register article was published, Warren issued a statement through a Christian Post reporter in an interview format.


Warren said, “A few days ago, an article appeared in the Orange County Register that included some outrageous statements about Saddleback that were incorrect.


“Of course, the media rarely gets everything right, and there’s no way we could respond to every false statement made about us. But I felt this article created so many misperceptions that I agreed to do an interview in response.”


The interviewer also asked Warren if people of other religions worship the same God as Christians, to which Warren replied, “Of course not. Christians have a God that is unique.”


Steve McConkey, of bigworldwatch.com, a news gathering site, said of Warren’s response to the article: “A person should not say one thing one time and another thing later and then blame the reporter.


“The problem that we have is that he has a case of doublespeak. Warren denies the Orange County Register article’s contents, but the document he signed ‘A Common Word Between Us and You’ says differently,” said McConkey.


McConkey was referring to a much publicized 2007 document signed by Warren, among many other Christian leaders. Within the first few lines it says that “many Christians have been guilty of sinning against our Muslim neighbors.”


“Before we ‘shake your hand’ in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world,” the document states.


The lengthy document then outlines how both Muslims and Christians serve “one God” and makes an argument that the two are one in the same, much like the “King’s Way” document unveiled in December at Saddleback Church.


It is that perspective that some Christians have called “Chrislam.”


Saddleback and Warren declined numerous WND attempts to speak about the issue. But in the Christian Post, he responded


The publication asked, “Are you promoting Chrislam?”
“Of course not. It’s the lie that won’t die,” he said.
Yet his staff has acknowledged the Register article is correct, he had a role in the “King’s Way” document and he signed “Common Word.”


The Register story mentions that both Turk and Gwynn Guibord serve an organization called Christian-Muslim Consultative Group.


WND reached Guibord regarding her interview with Hinch. In the interview she states that her group has avoided inviting evangelical churches to join their endeavor to “foster relationships between churches and mosques” but is now changing that opinion because “Saddleback’s effort is unprecedented.”