We call it the violation of a basic rule of life: “Don’t be a dumb ass.” That’s what Mahaney was, is, and will be. This old 60ish-year old has too few years to undo the decades of being a dumb ass. “It was what it was.” “He is what he is.” Based upon current reviews, little will change with him.
Diverging Paths
– Fairfax Church and Florida Pastors Contemplate Separation from Sovereign
Grace Ministries
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Keith Collins; Peter Davidson; Jeff Ehrhardt; Matt Mason; Pete Schefferstein; Phil Courson; Mike Gilland; Shannon Day; John Lenfestey; Wayne Brooks; Jon Morales; David Traugott; Luan Nguyen; Joe Calabello; Ed Edwards; Jerry Cisar; Steve Brunson; Ryan Carver; Daryn Kinney; Danny Jones; Chip Chew; Aaron Law; Mike Nash; Benny Phillips; Al Pino; Corey Schmatjen; Jose Prado; Bentley Crawford; Jason Stubblefield; Brian Brookins; Adam Greenfield; Michael Rizutti; Jesse Jarvis; Tim Merwin; Alex Bowman; Chris Dunlop
Subject: C.J.'s Conduct at May 25 Meeting
- Why did you feel you could leave Covenant Life in
these circumstances when for 30 years you’ve championed local church
accountability?
- Why have other pastors had to stay at churches under
super difficult circumstances and you were able to leave?
- On a similar theme: as a young guy (I’m 27 years
old, in SGM for 7 years), my observation is that you are the exception to
lots of “rules.” For example: with your relational difficulties with CLC,
you got to announce a church plant! I can’t help but wonder if say, a
senior pastor was having serious relational difficulties in their church
that SGM would announce his church plant and approve him to go? Do you
feel you are the exception in SGM, CJ? Why or why not?
- How are things with CJ and Josh?
- How has the Gospel brought reconciliation between
them?
- What would CJ say has been Josh’s struggle with CJ?
(We would also be wondering - how has this affected his relationship with
guys like Robin Boisvert or Kenneth Maresco? Guys who served together for
many years.)
- These struggles did not pop up overnight; does CJ
see change needed in his leadership and character that he did not see over
the past years? If yes, what changes is he seeking to make?
- Do all of the CLC pastors fully support you planting
a church at this time?
- What are we missing when men who we respect like
Kenneth, Grant, Robin and Josh decide to take CLC in the direction they
are going? The same could be asked about Fairfax.
- Do you believe the elders of one’s home church, have
the greatest biblical mandate to evaluate a fellow elders’ character and
conduct? Why did you choose to not follow the recommendations of the
elders of CLC last July/August time frame for how to work through the
charges?
- Do you believe you have fully reconciled with the
CLC elders, and would they feel the same? If not, what do you perceive the
offenses between you to be? Specifically, what is your offense with them?
And do you perceive their offense with you to be? Are you pursuing (active
present) reconciliation still?
- Historically, SGM pastors have been
required/expected to remain at their home church while their
competency/qualifications were being reviewed. What is the biblical
support for not following the same approach?
- Please update us as to why CLC is not on the new
Board.
- Can C.J. say he has the full support of the elders
and the support of the church? If yes, what does that support look like?
If no, why is that ok?
- Given the history of broken relationships, what is
your relationship like with the elders at CLC? In particular, Robin
Boisvert, Kenneth Maresco, and Grant Laymen – your brother in law? These
are men who have served with you for years.
- If you are to resign as President of SGM (according
to your statement), why did SGM move to Louisville when you are planting a
church there? Is now your church in Louisville the base church for SGM
instead of CLC or some other SGM church?
- On April 19th 2012, there was a letter posted on the
Sovereign Grace Ministries web site explaining the Board’s decision to
relocate the Pastor’s College to Louisville. On this letter it was stated
that it was the Board’s decision to do so after a vote at the first
retreat the board had together. Who set up such a big decision to be made
in light of the lack of time that the board had been together and able to
prayerfully and wisely consider all the options and implications of such a
move?
- On February 27th 2012, the interim board sent out a
letter outlining four priorities for the new board, none of these
priorities called for a decision on a move to Louisville. What would cause
the new board to put aside their priorities as stated by this letter and
engage on a vote to relocate Sovereign Grace Ministries to another city?
Who made that call and when was it made?
- The vote to move Sovereign Grace Ministries to
Louisville took place on the board’s retreat April 9th-10th yet nothing
was communicated to the SGM pastors until a letter was posted on the web
site April 19th. Many pastors who don’t regularly check the web site
didn’t even find out till days after. Why was this move communicated to
pastors and leaders outside SGM prior to the pastors of SGM?
- Why were so many details of the move to Louisville
discussed and acted upon prior to the board’s inception and most
importantly prior to the vote (i.e. talks with Southern Theological
Seminar, homes being listed for sale, etc...)?
- Do you think that the decision to make a major
ministry change – moving to Louisville – was appropriate for the new
board’s first official meeting? Was this vote anything but a token
procedure? How could it (the vote by the new board) be taken as a serious
consideration when several SGM staffers had already placed their houses on
the market for sale?
- There is this perception that when the “Board votes”
or “decides” something that it’s all a sham (meaning: the vote really
doesn’t mean anything...things are decided long before the Board gives
input or the Pastors give input). For example recently it was public
knowledge that your house, along with a few others were on the market for
sale weeks before the Board “approved” the move to Louisville. It gives
the perception that it was already a “done deal” long before the Board ever
approved it. How are decisions made on the Board?
- Currently, you are the President and the new
“polity” in SGM is that the Leadership team and Board are separate. What
direct input are you able to give to the Board? How do you affect their
decisions?
- Does it give you confidence as President that only
50% of Pastors “approved” the new Board? 30% were not in favor, and 20%
didn’t even respond [because they did not agree with the process]. Does
that give you reason to pause? Are you considering figuring out why it
appears only half of the movement is in support of this current new
direction?
- Do you believe that pastors should nominate Board
members from each region and also have a direct vote on who is on the
Board?
- CJ, in the letter you wrote that accompanied the
panel reports, you said, “In light of all of this, here is how I think I
can best serve you in the days ahead: as I step back into the role as
president, I will do so only temporarily. I think it would be wise for SGM
to have a new president who has gifts better suited to serve Sovereign
Grace in this next season. I love SGM and I want the best for SGM. Lord
willing, I look forward to serving SGM more effectively in a different
role. So my return will be temporary and with a few important intentions.”
What time line for and process for transition do you envision for this new
president, and what new role do you anticipate for yourself?
- In November I believe you stated that a weakness in
your past leadership has been speed/lack of process/time for decisions to
settle in with others. If I am remembering correctly... then please
explain if/how that affected the Louisville relocation decision... this
announcement seemed to feel, at least to me, rushed given the magnitude of
the decision and the lack of time the Board had been seated.
- How do we reconcile the leadership conference [last
November]? CJ told us his leadership is why SGM is where it is.... / he
has not been positioned in his gifting / etc.... (this is not a quote -
but I think it is the gist of what he was saying). Now the shift seems to
be plant a church and move SGM next to where he will pastor -- does this
seem confusing? Are we building the movement around CJ’s church plant -- I
assume that is to be the “flag ship”....
- Does it seem we are breaking the very things we have
taught and held dear to make this move of SGM and this church plant
happen?
- How does this precedence guard against leadership
style differences in the future?
- How does our theology inform this methodology of
taking SGM headquarters to a different location?
- Affirmation process -- lots of questions on the
affirmation process of the new board. I would like to hear a straight up –
- This is what we were thinking on the affirmation
process.
- This is how we set it up and why.
- This is how we thought about the pastors that did
not participate (Fairfax letter)
- This is how we thought about the comments made by
the pastors who did participate but voiced concerns on different nominees.
- This is how we gathered all the data and determined
what we determined. This is why this board was affirmed (I still don’t
have any real sense that the board was affirmed and that is not good...)
- How do you plan to help improve our communications between
local churches/pastors and SGM leadership?
- What were the criteria used for the nomination of
board members? How can
- interim board members nominate themselves to the
permanent board?
- I was one who DID offer a great deal of input on the
list of new board members. I made a strong appeal, but my feedback was not
even acknowledged as having been received. What assurances do we as
pastors in SGM have that our thoughts or input would ever be heeded in any
polity discussions?
- In light of the SGM panel reports, especially the
one with Larry Tomczak, has there or is there going to be any steps to
follow through on that report?
- According to the SGM panel reports, there was a
recommendation that we not plant churches when the SGM board or the elders
of that particular church are not in full faith for the pastor to plant.
Given that you changed your membership from CLC to Solid Rock, do you
think the elders of CLC would recommend such a move?
- Please update us as to the status of the recommendations
from the panel reviews.
- To some it would appear you don’t personally own or
have experience with the type of polity we are trying to pursue. Why then
are you the head of the polity committee? How would you explain to us how
you personally own or have experience with the type of polity we’re after?
- What do you personally believe the polity in SGM
should look like going forward?
- What will the relationship be (not just polity)
between the new leadership team and the new board team? How will they
function together? Will the local pastors relate to them differently than
they have related to the “apostolic team” previously?
- CJ, it appears that there has been a chain of broken
relationships that have either remained or gone long periods of time
unresolved in your life with those you have served with in ministry. Do
you believe this speaks to a character issue in you? Does it have any
bearing on your qualification as President of the ministry?
- How are things with SGM and CLC?
- Besides the economical and financial reasons given
for a move, how has the CLC / SGM struggles brought about this move? (It
seems disingenuous to say we are only moving because of financial reasons
and because we have been thinking this for a long time.... It seems like
we want to pretend there is no elephant in the room .)
- Much of what has unfolded since last July within SGM
could seemingly have been avoided had our leaders – specifically CJ – put
into practice our own teachings on practical relationships and the
critical need to “get up from our altar” and go to the one with whom we
have some sense of offense – and be reconciled. How is it that this did
not happen with Larry Tomczak and with Brent?
- In a pivotal moment last November (at the Pastor’s
Conference), CJ forfeited what could – and I believe would - have been a
healing moment had he assumed responsibility for his own actions. He chose
instead to “up the ante” in terms of the gap between relationships. What
prevented you (CJ) from owning the things that were clearly out of order
(including those things that were in Brent’s documents)? Please know – I
do not agree with much of what Brent has said and done. But the fact
remains that your comments contained therein do reflect both attitudes and
decisions that have to be acknowledged.
- The panel reports recommended that a man not plant a
church without the recommendation of the sending church elders. Given the
long-term nature of the relationship with CLC and the only transitional
nature of that with Solid Rock, do all of the CLC pastors fully support
you planting a church at this time? If not, why not?
- We still do not understand.... we need more data to
understand why CJ can leave CLC and all SGC churches -- reasons given at
leadership conference did not resolve the question in our minds. This then
leads to the obvious question: how can CJ plant a church with how he left
CLC and without the support of his local elders?
- Why was it necessary to leave CLC and go to CHBC and
how was that consistent with the Gospel?
- Would any other pastor in SGM receive the green
light to lead a church plant when he was in a state of fallout with his
own church, and out of relationship with his co-pastors to such a degree
as what has happened in this situation?
- Communication that is lacking between SGM leaders
and local pastors. Will this be the way things are done in the future?
That is, SGM’s leadership asks SGM pastors for feedback or participation
and no response is given to the individuals who participate by providing
feedback. This does not foster confidence in the upcoming discussions
about polity and church partnership agreements where our input will once
again be solicited.
- The pastors of SGM were asked to affirm or register
their concerns for the nominees to the new permanent SGM Board. I did not
affirm any of the candidates at that time because I had concerns on the
speed of the process with little communication in between. I made my
concerns known both by a personal email to the Interim Board and by
signing on to the Fairfax letter that stated similar concerns for the
process and made appeals for slowing it down. Though we were asked for
feedback, whether by affirming or raising concerns, the only response that
I received to my email and concerns was a public response by the Interim
Board that basically stated that “concerns by some pastors had been
considered, but they were moving on with the process.” Even if a regional
pastor or Interim Board member were given the assignment to contact each pastor
who raised concerns (whether that contact and follow-up took place or not)
this does not address nor solve what I perceive as a weak and troubling
lack of clear, timely and effective communication between the Leaders of
SGM and the pastors of SGM.
- Acknowledgement of past mistakes and lessons
learned. Will there be, and in your opinion, should there be a formal and
public acknowledgement of mistakes made. In the past by the SGM leadership
team and pastors as well as a statement of lessons learned from past
mistakes or shifts in policies, doctrine and practice?
- It is my opinion that this issue, if properly
treated, will drive a stake in the ground that will be helpful in
preserving our historical roots, strengthening our future partnerships,
and demonstrate the humility that is commensurate with servant leadership.
I suggest convocation of only SGM pastors for this exercise.
- How do you believe your leadership specifically has
contributed to the current difficulties within SGM?
- In the response to the AoR report, I find this
statement to be rather surprising – “I (C.J.) want to sincerely apologize
for the ways in which deficiencies in my leadership have contributed to
the ministry failures catalogued in this report.” This was the extent of
the “repentance” statement. Why did you (CJ) use the language of “apology”
instead of “repentance.” When we err, are we to “apologize”?
- News about changes in pneumatology has been floating
around. Are their changes and if so, what are they? I would think there
would be a lot of interest in this subject!
- Do you really believe that the difficulties you
endured as a pastor at Covenant Life Church this past year, were so much
more difficult than those endured by pastors like a Dan Stolldorf, Frank
Ecelbarger, Chris Lutyk, Benny Phillips, Steve Whitman, or others who when
leaving their roles were asked or expected to stay on in the churches and
endured much as individuals and families, as to say that you were not
expecting different treatment, but rather that yours were exceptional
circumstances?
- How does CJ feel about Lay Elders -- we are moving
in that direction here --any comments about that direction?
- What areas of historic concern need to be examined,
where there have been shifts of emphasis without clear communication of
such shifts?
- Do you believe that formal input from pastors and
churches would be beneficial? If so, what would that look like if you
could decide yourself?
- Has there been or is there going to be any further
steps to repent of wrongdoing in light of the recent AoR report? Or do you
feel that the “apology” given at the end of the report is sufficient?
- It is well noted that the many of the mid-Atlantic
area churches were not in favor of John Loftness being their regional
leader and over 62 pastors and over 30 churches did not affirm these men
to lead SGM. Will the pastors of SGM ever have a voice in the nomination
of their leaders?
- Why was such a sweeping statement as (paraphrased) –
“I moved my family to Capitol Hill Baptist to avoid their being
assaulted...” – used to typify CLC’s response to you and your family? Did
you intend to categorize the whole church in this way?
- The AoR report recommends: “Repent and believe the
Gospel...Confess your individual and corporate sins” (p. 35). As you look
back at our history and all that had been taught and practiced in SGM
churches as a whole (or to a large extent), are there sins and/or errors
that you would acknowledge? If so, will you make a written, public
acknowledgment and repentance of these things? Or, is what is written in
CJ’s and the Board’s response under “Pastoral Practice” the extent of it?
- How should we assess issues of pride in the life of
a pastor? What insights have been gained over the past few years in how
leaders walk together in this area of evaluation and partnership? It seems
that a common area of disqualification has been the evaluation of a man’s
pride. Pride in forms like in entreatability, approachability, plurality,
disaffection over being corrected, etc. was connected to issues with Larry
Tomczak, Brent, CJ, and others in leadership. This area of a man’s heart
is not easy to accurately discern and yet it appears that situations like
these have involved decisions about a man’s leadership that have
drastically altered their roles and ability to serve in the future. What
have we learned in this area? Will we continue to address this area as we
have or do we think we need to do some things differently?
- Realistic adjustment to the expectations and
parameters of local leadership teams. What was emphasized through
conference introductions, sermon illustrations, and apostolic team input
was that exceptional friendships and relationships among leadership teams
were a norm. Sharing of life, open exchange of confession/adjustment,
care, involvement with families, etc. were presented as common and
attainable. While it served to give us something to aim at, it did not
seem to contain enough realism and left many teams wondering what we were
doing wrong. With issues now being partially published about relationships
between CJ, Brent, Larry Tomczak, Pat Ennis, the Covenant Life elders, and
others in varying roles of leadership, it seems pretty important to more
specifically address what failed and why. In the past couple of years it
seems that there’s been a few local teams that have gone through some form
of implosion and it appears that part of this may be related to
unrealistic expectations that were present on those teams.
- The qualifying and disqualifying of pastors on the
basis of their children’s faith and behavior. When I first began attending
PDI conferences in the mid-late 90’s, it was a somewhat regular event for
a pastor to publicly resign. The dominant and usually related issues were
about assessing a man’s pride and his parenting. They read statements that
included wordings like, ‘this did not have to happen’. There were
teachings that a man’s gifting would be confirmed by the behavior of his
children. But in the early 2000’s to present there were numerous pastoral
situations where children were wayward but there was no resignation or
public adjustment made and the pastor continued to serve as he had been
serving. With such careful and intentional modeling and teaching in the
past, it seems necessary to do as much careful explaining and adjusting in
the present if insights and practices have changed in this area. To not do
so is to assume that local pastors--often inexperienced and zealous
pastors will understand and correctly adjust their opinions and approach
in these areas.
- The need for clarity on handling the doctrine of sin
and our role with one another in participating in one another’s
sanctification. This seems to be an issue on the table for evaluation and
clarification.
- Clarity on the accusations that have piled up
against CJ are needed. Over the past months there have been many documents
and comments made that have affected the public perception of CJ. That has
been further influenced by the fact that some of these statements have
been made by people who were respected leaders within SGM and who worked
in settings that are not publicly observed by many people within SGM who
are now asked to follow CJ. Since it seems clear that CJ is very gifted
and has been very fruitful in leading this family of churches, and that
every effort should be made to rightly employ those gifting’s in the
future, it seems important to bring clarity to areas of accusation that
would affect other people’s ability to follow his leadership.
- If CJ truly struggles with giving consistent,
unbiased leadership to others and with receiving input from other leaders,
when he is offended or disagreed with, then that would make it hard for
others to feel confident in his leadership and would affect his ability to
play the role of President or other leadership team roles. But that has
not clearly been stated as true or not.
- If CJ simply holds his views with strong convictions
and other leaders have historically found it challenging to adjust his
input, that’s not necessarily disqualifying. Most people are leaders
because they have some ideas that make sense to them, they feel strongly
about those ideas, and they seek to implement those ideas. The question is
whether or not CJ can both give strong leadership, with strong convictions
and still make room for a humble functional plurality.
- The future of outside influence for SGM. Without
question we have benefited by receiving much preaching and doctrinal help
from strong teachers within the reformed community. There is wisdom and
influence that we are eager to welcome from others in the body of Christ
like those at Southern Seminary. The leadership strengths of the gifted
men in T4G have brought extremely helpful influence. What seems to be
diminishing is to have significant input and influence from others in the
larger body of Christ who can have the same type of influence and effect
on our practice of engaging the Holy Spirit on a larger scale and in
broader ways (I say broader ways because I believe the ministries of the
T4G team and Southern Seminary are important expressions of the Spirit’s
ministry as well). Is there no place any longer for men like Terry Virgo
who share much in common with us and have insights and experiences in New
Testament ministry that we also greatly need?
- The call for the leadership team to lead and their
receiving of input from SGM pastors. It seems that many are of the opinion
that former leadership in SGM was not accustomed to seeking the input of
the local pastors in many leadership decisions. I do recall several
occasions where we’ve been asked to give input on upcoming planning of
conferences and feedback on how things were being done, so I do think
there’s been opportunity, but for the most part we have granted the
leadership team the role of leading with limited amounts of input. I don’t
believe that leadership should be done by polling, but in this important
time frame, I do think it is important that greater dialog gets created
and more input is received before more forward motion is sought. We are
still in the paradigm of shepherd and sheep, and it behooves the shepherds
to know the condition of their sheep, lest they move on without them. This
season has stirred up issues of trust for some, questions of
methods/policies for others, and concerns for the ability for future
partnership for others. In that environment it doesn’t seem that haste should
be our setting. In a movement that has grown significantly in the past 10
years, there may need to be a season of regrouping and gaining
like-mindedness and receiving something of an outpouring from God that
will protect us, solidify us, and launch us into the future. It needs to
seem good to us and the Holy Spirit--this was the voice of the plural
leaders and extended team in Jerusalem and would perhaps serve us well
also.
- Placing realistic boundaries on local pastors who
are involved in extra-local ministry. It seems like some discussion needs
to occur concerning what to expect from those who function in an
extra-local role. There are many factors that contribute to this limited
role (the man’s level of gifting & experience, his responsibilities in
his own church, his season of life with his family, his distance from the
day to day activity of the church he is supporting, limited awareness of
local leadership issues there, etc.). What has been learned over the years
in this area that may need to be taught and clarified to the local teams
and churches.
- Recognizing that Relational Trust has been weakened.
I have always greatly appreciated the emphasis on relational ministry
within SGM. It was one of the things that attracted me to pursuing
extra-local ministry as it was modeled in SGM. There was love, respect,
care, and honoring being modeled in these relationships that we observed
from a distance. People that I spent time with, like Phil Courson, taught
me to love and trust men like Danny Jones, who taught me to love and trust
men like Brent, who taught me to love and trust men like CJ and Dave.
Conference settings and the like provided opportunities for CJ and Dave to
strengthen my abilities to trust and appreciate guys like Josh Harris,
Mark Mullery, and Pat Ennis. It is this relational practice and influence
that has created the level of trust that has characterized our past. But
it is realistic to assume that when Brent does what he did, Josh [Harris]
and Mark [Mullery] have been associated with internal conflict and are no
longer held out as influential men to the leadership team, and Pat Ennis
resigns amidst questions, there will be damage done to the relational
fabric that has built trust within the movement. It took a long time to
build this fabric and the way things have unfolded has created weakness
and the leadership team and board may need to be prepared to repair what
has been weakened. This would be influential in how and how quickly the
leadership attempts to move us forward in this season.
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