"Trojan Horse" Warning to Confessional Churchmen: Stay Away from Reformed Episcopal Seminary

Here's how the (Un-) Reformed Episcopal Seminary now sells itself. Advisorial for all Confessional Reformation Churchmen, Lutheran or Reformed, this is a "Trojan Horse." Try teaching Tractarianism, charismania, and other syncretisms at Concordia Seminary (LCMS) or at Westminster Seminaries, or the varied Reformed seminaries. 

The putative claim to "over-all respect" obtains until you object to their Misters and one understands this as a "marketing tool" for an ever-shrunken school. They'll pull the "charity card" if you object, presuming themselves to be charitable, while, in fact, being quite uncharitable.

Try "invoking Mary" or saints during Chapel exercises at any one of the Reformation-based schools in the nation!  

Try "Babbeling" in a Neo-Montanist state during any of the classes or Chapel services in Confessional Lutheran or Presbyterian schools.

This is the new-three-streams: Tractarianism, Bablyonics, and syncretizing-indifferentism now advocated by "this thing" they call the Anglican Church in North America.

Go ahead, leaders of the (Un-) Reformed Episcopal Seminary. By the way, how's the alumni association these days? 

Here's a word from a FB post.

"Yet another testimony for Reformed Episcopal Seminary -- given by one of our second year students. Robert Garrett on the Reformed Episcopal Seminary group page:

"Coming from a Charismatic background, I continue to be blessed and strengthened by the balance and care that is shown by the RES, REC and the ACNA towards convergent (three-streams) worship expressions and the over-all respect given to other branches of Christ's church. Amidst the challenges and changes within Anglicanism in the Americas and globally over the past decades, as a new-comer, I can see a bright future for those of us who have come to love Anglicanism, but come from a blended worship background. Taking a quote from Bishop Duncan... Jesus said, "I am come that they might have life more abundantly.""

Mr. Sutton on the Resurgence of the Reformed Episcopal Church

Mr. Sutton on the Resurgence of the Reformed Episcopal Church

 

By Donald Philip Veitch in Anglican Prayerbook Churchmanship (Post-Anglican)

 

Vis a vis: 

http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/07/08/ird-exclusive-bishop-ray-sutton-on-the-reformed-episcopal-resurgence/#comments

and

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=17771#.Udtt-p3D9jo


1. Those who have been impressed by Mr. Sutton’s spirited justification of the “new” REC might be interested in getting to know the gentleman further, through asking a few pertinent questions:

2. From what institution does Mr. Sutton claim to have an earned PhD? (Inquiring minds should be prepared to ask, at the same time, the P.O. Box in the UK this institution uses as its classroom, administrative and library facility).

3. What might have been the topic of the day last November when Mr. Sutton had a personal audience with Pope Benedict XVI?

4. In 1964, the membership of the Reformed Episcopal Church was listed as 7007 with 66 churches; in 2008, it listed 125 congregations but only 6040 members. Is this what Mr. Sutton means by resurgence?
 
5. Which of the following interesting statements was written by Mr. Sutton?
 
a) For the non-Christian, mysticism is that which is comprehensible in the universe. If this is true, then mystery is something that can be manipulated in the form of knowledge, liturgy, experience and so forth.
 
b) But, today, our Churches are filled with "pampered" individuals who are the product of too much direct attention. They float from Church to Church trying to find someone who will give his/her life for him.
 
c) Does this mean that man cannot have personal transcendence? No, the Psalmist says, “1 said, you are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High” (Psalm 82:6; John 10:34). In the words of Athanasius, the early Church Father and great defender of Trinitarianism, “God became man that man might become god.”
 
d) "Protestantism has failed to give the world a better Church."
 
e) Man is the son of God in a covenantal sense. He can be called a “god,” little g, without taking on Deity. This is not double talk, rather, it is covenantal talk.
 
f) All of the above
 
6. Who does Mr. Sutton think was responsible for the REC’s new “historical consciousness?”
 
7. What resurgence did the Theological Seminary of the Reformed Episcopal Church experience during the years it was under Mr. Sutton’s leadership?  Give a year by year record of full time students during your tenure.   Also, provide the same for the years 2000-2013, year by year.
 
8. Did Mr. (bp.) Roy Grote tell Mr. Sutton to scrub any and/or all internet references to Mr. Sutton's online articles about Reconstructionism and related subjects? If so, what articles, references, and connections? When and why? Explain the history.
 
9. What is Mr. Sutton's view of Federal Vision? Explain your relationship to the Shepherd controversy including views held amongst the Theonomists at Westminster Presbyterian Church, Tyler, TX.
 
10. Please explain your church affiliation while at Dallas Theological Seminary including your views of premillenial dispensationalism.  Explain the theo-exegetico-historical circumstances of switching to postmillenialism.
 
11. Explain your call and time at Westminster Presbyterian Church, Tyler, TX and relationships with Rousas Rushdoony, Gary North, James Jordan and the elders?  Why did you leave?  Are you still a theonomist? Was this authoritarianism a personal and tempermental tendency or did you have long-term and genuine theological convictions about reconstructionism? 
 
12. Explain in full the history, circumstances and relationships to Dr. Daniel Dunlap?  Was Dr. Daniel Dunlap also an ex-Theonomist like yourself? Dr. Milton Fisher? Dr. Allen Guelzo?  Dr. Geoffrey Hubler? Rev. Niel Bech? And other faculty members or administrative staff at The Theological Seminary of the Reformed Episcopal Church.  What were the circumstances and reasons for leaving this seminary?
 
13. What happened to the study centre in Arkansas?  Does it still exist?  If not, why not?
 
14. Fully explain your relationship with Mr. (bp.) Walter Grunsdorf of the Anglican Province of America as well as other Anglo-Catholic individuals, churches and/or institutions. Include circumstances, times and places, including their views and your views on seven sacraments, purgatory, invocation of saints, prayers for the dead, Mariology, missals and breviaries, rosary beads, incense, icons, Massing vestments, Masses, Masses for the dead, seven councils, episcopacy as a divine institution or human institution, the anti-Reformation perspective, Tract XC, Tractarianism, John Newman, the Lady of Walsingham, legitimacy of Protestant (Lutheran, Presbyterian) ordinations, the Society of the Holy Cross, Confraternity of the Blessed Sacrament, justification by faith alone, sola scriptura, sola fide, solus Christus, Capernaitic-corporal-fleshly presence of the Ascended Redeemer in the Communion, free will, predestination, covenant theology, Arminianism and semi-Pelagianism, and the Thirty-nine Articles of the Church of England, Irish Articles of 1615, and the Westminster Confession of Faith.
 
15.  Did Baptists or Bible Church Pastors ordain you?  Provide the names of Baptist Pastors who ordained you as well as the time and circumstances. Following that, what Presbytery examined you?  If a Presbytery, provide the name of the denomination and presbytery (we understand it was not the ARP, PCA, RPCGA, URC, URCNA, CRC or the OPC).
 
16.  Explain the circumstances when you, Mr. Sutton, changed your views from the Baptist version of "believers' immersionistic baptism" to "infant baptism."  Provide names, dates and influences in your thinking.

REC? Church Soc? Calvinistic Anglicans? USA?

D. Philip Veitch (reformationtoday@yahoo.com)

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Subj:   RES/REC/Church Soc

Gillis: 

As an historian, I appreciate your historical effort vis a vis the Church Society. But REC? Am an 87' grad of RES with an 81' degree from WTS and additional grad credits in classics (languages) and Roman theology (Villanova). Very leary of anything connected to the current REC leadership...across the top. Why not AOC?

Thanks, but massive trust issues with the REC. In fact, the current Bishops are a great and weighty argument against episcopacy and in favour of Presbyterianism. Leo the Capitulator? Ray the accomodator of APA? Dan, permitting Marian invocations? Roy in Houston?

An old Calvinist with an old BCP, but in exile. Re: REC big time Caveat Emptor.

Regards,

Don