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We are Confessional Calvinists and a Prayer Book Church-people. In 2012, we remembered the 350th anniversary of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer; also, we remembered the 450th anniversary of John Jewel's sober, scholarly, and Reformed "An Apology of the Church of England." In 2013, we remembered the publication of the "Heidelberg Catechism" and the influence of Reformed theologians in England, including Heinrich Bullinger's Decades. For 2014: Tyndale's NT translation. For 2015, John Roger, Rowland Taylor and Bishop John Hooper's martyrdom, burned at the stakes. Books of the month. December 2014: Alan Jacob's "Book of Common Prayer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Common-Prayer-Biography-Religious/dp/0691154813/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417814005&sr=8-1&keywords=jacobs+book+of+common+prayer. January 2015: A.F. Pollard's "Thomas Cranmer and the English Reformation: 1489-1556" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-English-Reformation-1489-1556/dp/1592448658/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420055574&sr=8-1&keywords=A.F.+Pollard+Cranmer. February 2015: Jaspar Ridley's "Thomas Cranmer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-Jasper-Ridley/dp/0198212879/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422892154&sr=8-1&keywords=jasper+ridley+cranmer&pebp=1422892151110&peasin=198212879

Showing posts with label Harvest Bible Chapel (Chicago). Show all posts
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Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Harvest Chapel: Growing List of Pastors Leave

http://theelephantsdebt.com/the-next-step/

The Void



Are we alone in our concerns regarding the leadership of James MacDonald? Over the past few years, many long-standing elders and highly influential staff members have departed Harvest Bible Chapel. While the circumstances of their departures are unique to each of them, each has his own story to tell.

Pastors and elders who have publicly spoken through this website are highlighted in red; and their stories can be found under “Your Story.”



Dave Corning: For approximately 20 years, Dave Corning served Harvest Bible Chapel as the Chairman of its elder board. His wife, Betsy Corning, is the published author of Entrusted with a Child’s Heart: A Biblical Study in Family Life.



Dr. Ron Allchin: For many years, Dr. Allchin faithfully served the congregation of Harvest Bible Chapel as an active member of the elder board. At present, Dr. Allchin works as the Executive Director of the Biblical Counseling Center.



Dr. Joseph Stowell, III: For 18 years, Dr. Stowell served as the President of Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, Illinois. During his time at Harvest, he was both a Teaching Pastor and a highly visible member of the elder board. Currently, Dr. Stowell serves as the President of Cornerstone University.



Joe Stowell, IV: From 1998 to 2008, Joe Stowell served as an elder and as the Executive Pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, in which capacity he oversaw budgeting and strategic planning. At present, Joe is the Executive Vice President and Chief Operating officer of ELIC.



Rod Vansolkema: During the 2000s, Rod Vansolkema was one of four Stowell family members to be employed by Harvest Bible Chapel. After serving as the Pastor of Young Adult Ministry, Rod was the first of the Stowells to leave the church.



Matt Stowell: From 1998 to 2008, Matt served as a pastor of student ministries before eventually rising to become the director of the worship department at Harvest Bible Chapel. At present, Matt serves as a pastor of church life at Salem Chapel in North Carolina.



Gordon Zwirkoski: Prior to founding FiveStone Churches, Gordon Zwirkoski invested 20 years at Harvest Bible Chapel. During his tenure at Harvest, Zwirkoski served on the elder board, before stepping off to co-found and direct the Harvest Bible Fellowship from 2001 to 2010.



W. Bing Hunter: For many years, Dr. Bing Hunter served “on the Ministry Management Team” of Harvest Bible Chapel. He also served as the Pastor of Adult Ministries before leaving for Phoenix Seminary.



David Jones: From 2001 to 2010, David Jones served Harvest Bible Chapel in a variety of capacities. In addition to his work as the research assistant to James MacDonald, Jones also served as the Director of Training for the Harvest Bible Fellowship.



Sam Jindoyan: Four four-and-a-half years, Sam Jindoyan served as an Elder at Harvest Bible Chapel. He and his wife are both NANC certified Biblical counselors, and they are currently ministering at The Orchard Evangelical Free Church.



Jim Jodrey: From 1995 to 2010, Jim Jodrey served in a variety of capacities. He was a Campus Pastor charged with overseeing operations, stewardship and benevolence. At present, Jim is the Associate Pastor of Harvest Community Church, a ministry once associated with the Fellowship.




Dave DeHaan (see “Your Story”): From 2002 to 2006, Dave served as Pastor of Single Adults. When the Elgin campus opened in 2004, he served as a Family Pastor and as a Campus Pastor for the new HBC location. Dave is currently an associate pastor at New Covenant Bible Church in St. Charles.



Rob Green: From 2003 to 2009, Rob Green served as the Pastor of Assimilation and Counseling at Harvest Bible Chapel. He is married to Anne Green, formerly a worship leader at HBC. At present, Rob works with Joe Stowell at ELIC in Colorado.




Ty Gooch: From 2002 to 2009, Ty Gooch was the Associate Pastor of Adult Discipleship at Harvest Bible Chapel. He is presently the Senior Pastor of Fellowship Life Bible Church, a FiveStone Church located just outside of Elgin, Illinois.




Josh Caterer: For most of the first decade of the new millenium, Josh Caterer served as a leader within the worship ministry department of Harvest Bible Chapel. In that capacity, he authored several songs that were regularly performed at Harvest.



Dan McGhee: For five years, Dan McGhee served as the Senior Pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel-Detroit West. In 2012, Dan and his elders became the first church to leave the Harvest Bible Fellowship over their concerns surrounding the Elephant Room 2.



Jonathan Gaus: In February of 2006, Jon Gaus planted Canyon Bible Church, formerly known as Harvest Bible Chapel – Prescott. In 2012, Canyon Bible became the second church in the Harvest Bible Fellowship to sever its ties with HBF over its concerns related to the Elephant Room 2.


Arvid Svendsen: Arvid Svendsen is the Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church, formerly known as Harvest Bible Chapel – New Lenox. In 2012, Cornerstone became the third church to disassociate itself from the Harvest Bible Fellowship due to circumstances surrounding the Elephant Room 2.



Mike Bryant: Mike Bryant’s service with Harvest Bible Chapel began in the mid-1990′s. In 2006, he planted Harvest Bible Chapel – Grayslake, and faithfully served within the Fellowship until 2012, when he was removed by the leadership of HBF for privately voicing his concerns over the Elephant Room 2.

If you wish to view and download all of the supporting documentation, please click here.

If you share our concerns and are presently wondering what to do next, please click here.

Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Bloodstained Ink: 4th Church Leaves Harvest Bible Fellowship

An update and good story on the Harvest Bible Fellowship at:
http://bloodstainedink.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/fourth-church-departs-harvest-bible-fellowship/   Who are these guys?  What would anyone become involved with them?
Fourth Church “Departs” Harvest Bible Fellowship

Just over three months ago, James MacDonald, Senior Pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, made a decision. Against the timely and judicious counsel of certain “influential leaders” within The Gospel Coalition, he decided to proceed with the theological circus known as the Elephant Room 2. At the time, he apparently believed that the opportunity to engage Bishop T.D. Jakes in a public conversation was of such paramount importance that it was worth severing his official ties to The Gospel Coalition. To no one’s surprise, not everyone agreed with his assessment.
In the days and weeks that followed, the churches belonging to the Harvest Bible Fellowship were put in an awkward position. Under the explicit direction of Kent Shaw, the Executive Director of the Harvest Bible Fellowship, they were advised as follows:
“Some, who like to stir up controversy, may approach you for further discussion and we ask that you stand with us by stating only the following: Pastor James stepped off the Gospel Coalition with our support. You should be proud of the battle he is fighting for grace and truth and seek to emulate his courage. He has our full support and the doctrine of Harvest Bible Chapel remains and will remain unchanged.”[1]
Now, this is all fine and good, except for one small problem. What if a church didn’t “support” MacDonald’s decision, and what if a church wasn’t “proud” of his actions?
As we have already seen, one possible course of action, taken by three different churches in Michigan, Arizona and Illinois, was to publicly disassociate themselves from the ministry of James MacDonald and the Harvest Bible Fellowship. In all three circumstances, the leadership teams of the respective churches attest to having repeatedly voiced their concerns to the Fellowship, only to have their concerns summarily dismissed.
Now, as of just two days ago, another church in the Harvest Bible Fellowship has joined the ranks of the “disenfranchised.” What is interesting and perhaps even instructive to note, however, is the manner in which they have been “disenfranchised.” For while the first three churches elected to voluntarily leave the Fellowship after privately voicing their concerns, Harvest Bible Chapel of Grayslake, Illinois has reportedly been removed from the Fellowship in an involuntary fashion. According to reports of a letter that was read to the congregation this past Sunday, HBC-Grayslake had sought to remain within the Fellowship even as they privately expressed their deep concerns regarding the circumstances surrounding the Elephant Room 2. But apparently, their willingness to stay in the fold was not sufficient for the leadership of the Fellowship, and they were cast aside.
This, of course, raises a number of genuinely interesting questions:
Firstly, if the goal of the Elephant Room 2 was to model “grace and truth” amidst disagreement, how is this goal being achieved within the internal ranks of the Fellowship?
Secondly, if the goal was to model “unity” amidst disagreement, how is that goal being achieved as churches are leaving and others are being removed?
Finally, just a little over three months after the conclusion of the Elephant Room 2, five percent (5%) of the churches that had been planted (or replanted) by the Fellowship through 2011 are no longer part of the very system that planted them. Are these churches merely statistical outliers? Or is this the beginning of an exodus? Only time will tell.
UPDATE: According to Erin Benziger of the Christian Research Network, Harvest Bible Chapel of Grayslake, IL has publicly confirmed that it has been “removed from Harvest Bible Fellowship by the leadership.”


[1] The full text of Kent Shaw’s email to the Harvest Bible Fellowship can be found at: http://apprising.org/2012/01/24/theres-more-to-the-resignation-of-james-macdonald-from-gospel-coalition/
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Saturday, March 31, 2012

TBN Bimbo, Paula White: ER2, TD Jakes, & Baptacostals



Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries offers his assessment of ER2, TD Jakes, and Benny Hinn’s girl-friend, Paul White.  We offer our comments in red.



RA:  After Paula White’s involvement with Benny Hinn in Rome last year, with all the hand-holding and the divorce in suspense, what’s going on currently?  We know, as of last year, that old Benny got divorced from his wife.  Benny ditched her and his wife ditched him.  So much for Biblical marriage amongst the Yappaholics.  We covered Benny’s divorce at: http://reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com/2011/05/update-on-benny-hinn-divorce-from.html.


Apprising Ministries continues covering the aftermath of the Elephant Room 2, which was put on by former Gospel Coalition members James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll. [RA:  Apparently, Driscoll and the Gospel Coalition have been involved.  As Confessional Anglicans, we’ve not followed the ins-and-outs of these Baptacostals, except at a well-advised distance.  They offer so little. Our distance is suitable and well-advised.] 

I told you in There’s More To The Resignation Of James MacDonald From Gospel Coalition that MacDonald would resign from TGC because he didn’t want to “pull the plug” on T.D. Jakes coming to the ER2. 

[RA:  We’re still not following all the chaos of these sectarians like Harvest Chapellers, Acts 29, Driscoll and others.  We are not schismatics and sectarians without confessional or creedal roots.  Who is Jakes?  MacDonald?  TGC?  Baptacostalist sectarians?] 

Then on Wednesday of this week we suddenly saw Mark Driscoll Resigns From The Gospel Coalition [RA: We note this/] right on the heels of Matt Chandler To Be New President OfFActs 29 Network as Driscoll decided to step down. Sources within Acts 29 tell me these are related, at least in part, to ER2. [RA:  Sectarians and schismatics from the beginning.  They are Baptacostals and Baptacholics.] Fallout from ER2 will likely continue to be seen within the contemporary evangelicalism [RA:  What is “contemporary evangelicalism”?] this year because the main claim to fame for this conference was, in my opinion, the pass given to Word Faith mogul T.D. Jakes. [RA:  What has been, if ever, the Confessional, liturgical and creedal benchmark for McDonald or the other schismatics?  Ditto for all TBN exhorters?  Or SBCers without a Confession?] As I see it, led by Mark Driscoll, Jakes was essentially allowed to say, “I’m a trinitarian-modalist.”  [RA:  Since when has the Creed, or Creeds, meant much to SBC exhorters like Silva?  At least Anglicans have retained the Creeds.] Jakes’ obvious Word Faith prosperity teachings were never even mentioned, let alone addressed. [OK, is this it?]


The net result is ER2 was successful in mainstreaming T.D. Jakes [RA: So?]; and then James MacDonald would go on the offensive on the Chris Fabry Live (CFL) program to imply that in their private dialogues Jakes does not accept the label of a Word Faith prosperity preacher. However from years of involvement with, and study of, the WF movement I can tell you that no WF preacher wants to be branded with that particular label. [RA: So, put the question in full and in the particulars to Jakes.  At this point, McDonald is just another sectarian, schismatic, Anabaptistic, and
Baptacostal revivalist.]
 

Unfortunately for James MacDonald et al the facts simply don’t line up with his assertion that T.D. Jakes is not a WF prosperity preacher. [RA:  It would appear that Jakes is a full-breed Pelagian, to wit, that children imitate and follow their parents’ behaviours, rather than inherit sin natures. We’ve always understood Jakes to be a Word-Prosperity-Pimp.  Why any discussion of it by MacDonald?]  For example there’s Megachurch Pastors Joel Osteen And T.D. Jakes Unite And Why You Should Care and T.D. Jakes May 2012 Leadership Conference To Feature Joel Osteen. Then just a couple of weeks ago T.D. Jakes Speaker This Month For Paula White’s A God Encounter. [RA:  Has Jakes ever postulated or presented his “Confession of Faith,” like the Westminsterians?  If not, why not?  Where is Jakes’s confession to the world?] While Osteen sugarcoats his Word Faith prosperity [RA: Osteen has to be the most ignorant cleric on TV today]  preaching by mixing in self-help jargon ala Robert Schueller [RA:  While at it, where is Osteen’s “Confession of Faith,” like the Westminsterians.  Does the old boy have one?  One that can be examined?  Osteen’s ignorance is legendary.] , there is no doubt that Pastrix Paula [Ditto for White’s “Confession of Faith”] White is basically a female version of T.D. Jakes. If you didn’t know, there’s good reason for this as White often speaks of Jakes as her “spiritual father,” which you can hear for yourself in Elephant In The Room: T.D. Jakes And Paula White. To point this out is not merely guilt by association.

To look at this in a legal sense, it goes to the credibility of T.D. Jakes. It was James MacDonald who called Jakes to the witness stand in ER2 and he’s attempted to defend his brother Jakes. We then have every right to cross examine the record of T.D. Jakes [RA:  This is always the right of a
Biblical analyst]
who stated on the record that he holds an orthodox view of the Holy Trinity and, according to his spiritual defense attorney [RA” Spiritual attorney?}  now apparently claims not to be Word Faith.
 

Since Paula White claims Jakes was her mentor [RA:  Jakes?  White claims this?  Where is the scholarly bibliography of several hundred volumes?  Jakes?  How about the scholars of the ages?], which he also acknowledges, then we are within our right to examine her teachings and lifestyle because they also reflect upon her spiritual father T.D. Jakes. In closing this, for now, I point you to an Orlando Sentinel piece from January of this year called New Destiny’s Paula White preaches from life of ups, downs. Jeff Kunerth begins: 

In her first sermon as the new pastor [RA” Pastor?”  Ahem.] of New Destiny Christian Center, Paula White described herself as a “messed up Mississippi girl” who was picked on as a child. [RA: Irrelevant to Biblical exposition, Biblical Churchmanship, doctrine, worship and piety.] But don’t let this blond hair fool you, she told the congregation, this girl knows how to fight [RA: A bit of a yawner for retired and active duty U.S. Marines.  Sorry, Paula, but not very impressive].


“I came out of my momma’s womb fighting,” [RA: You’re alone?  Do you think 1000s upon 1000s came foreward without a struggle, Paula?  And you are special because of….?] she said. “That’s why I will go to war. I will fight.” (Online source)  [RA:  What a bizarre claim.  The issue is harmartiology in the classical sense, not your forlorn experience amongst southern Enthusiasts.]

Obviously, by claiming to be a pastor White is already in violation of God’s Word (cf. 1 Timothy 2:12). [RA: After all, what is this gal’s theological background?  A 90-hour MDiv?  A 30-hour Th.M.?  A Ph.D.?  Or, much less?] You might be saying, “Wait a minute she’s supposed to be the senior pastor of Without Walls Church.” That’s right, she is; and she found a way to become pastrix of New Destiny Christian Center (NDCC) as well. [RA:  Just another loud-mouthed hack and Baptacostalist without an education and with a lot of vigour.  What else might be expected of individualistic Anabaptistic enthusiasts?] You might recall in August of last year I told you that Florida Megachurch Pastor Zachery Tims Found Dead, NDCC was his church.

Well, pastrix Paula White claims that she was Tims’ spiritual mentor. [RA” White, a pastoral mentor, without degrees? ] For more on the controversy surrounding just how White came to be appointed pastor at NDCC I refer you to Paula White Officially Appointed Senior Pastor of Zachery Tims’ Fla. Church. [RA:  More hackeries and loondoms.] Right now we return to our look at the teachings of pastrix White as Orlando Sentinel reporter Jeff Kunerth continues:

White often refers to her past personal hardships as examples of how faith and determination have elevated her into the pulpit. Her rags-to-riches travails inspire those in the congregation who have experienced difficulties in their lives. [RA: Yawn. Where’s the exposition of Sacred Scriptures?]

“Part of her appeal is the success theology [RA:  Holy moly, as a retired Marine and as a retired senior officer, I can preach my successes in the military?  Holy moly, let me write a book and get on TV too…] she preaches,” [RA: Sheer crap.] said Sheila Strobel Smith, an expert on leadership transition in mega-churches like Apopka’s New Destiny. “For people feeling down and out, they can see she has picked herself up and made a success of herself. And her life continues to play that out.” (Online source) [RA: More yawning.]

As you can see, just as her spiritual father T.D. Jakes, White’s message is herself; typical of Word Faith prosperity preachers. [RA:  Suitable to half-wits and illiterates.] As with other WF snake oil salesmen [RA: Including the entire TBN crowd and Benny Hinn] Kunerth also tells us that Without Walls Church, which White co-founded with her then husband Randy White [RA Whoa, Paula White, the scholar, the diva, the august, the Bimbo, the magnificent, the PhD,. and the boyfriend of Benny Hinn. The two magisters  and examples of illustration, the divorced Paul and Randy, examples of Christian doctrine, worship and piety (tongue in cheek[ got divorced, yet without a whimper from TBN]: became the focus of a congressional investigation into several high-profile preachers suspected of living lavish lifestyles at the expense of their congregations. (Online source) [RA:  Have we ever seen Paula’s financial records?  In full?  The whole and entire matter is still unresolved, including Paul Crouch Sr.’s manifestations.]

Kunerth also tells us, as it concerns her taking over NDCC, that White:
 
has plenty of detractors, including R. Douglas Chukwuemeka, who came out of the same Baltimore church as Zachery Tims and pastors New Destiny’s sister church in Arizona. Chukwuemeka challenges White’s assertions that she was the close spiritual mother of Tims. [RA: Baptacostalist yappings] 

“She’s making it up and playing on the people’s feelings,” said Chukwuemeka, senior pastor of New Destiny Christian Church in Laveen, Ariz. “She definitely would not be the one he would want to succeed him.” (Online source)  [RA:  For the youths, young people, new inquirers after Christ, non-catechetized but learning, and new joins, keep your hand on the wallet, firmly.  Think, read, mark and decide, but never follow these half-wits.] 

§  Then finally Jeff Kunerth shares the following, which comes as absolutely no surprise to those of us familiar with the preaching stylings of pastrix Paula White [RA:  Silva, start getting your subject and verb agreements together, otherwise, you look like an uneducated Baptistic rubarb...that's what we expect from Baptacostals]: 

Tall and slender, she appears more model than minister — until she opens her mouth and begins to preach. In a style borrowed from black pastors, including her “spiritual father” T.D. Jakes, White preaches with a breathless delivery of nonstop sentences that rise to an emotional peak just short of exhaustion. (Online source) [RA:  The few times we’ve heard Paula speak, she sounds like a Baptacostalist loon.  No depth.  No Confessionalism.  Certainly, no liturgy.  No Creedalism.  What does she offer but her ignorance?  Does she even have a credible and basic 90-hour degree in theology, a “starters” degree?] 

I’ll leave you with the following demonstration of pastrix Paula White in action so you can see part of “the show” for yourself. Below is White preaching the classic Word Faith sow a seed of money [RA: “Send dem dollas in you folks” preaches the huckster] so God will be obligated to bless you; and this she does for her spiritual father T.D. Jakes at his Potter’s House in December of 2010:

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RA:  For new inquirers to Christendom, teenagers, non-Catechetized, or young adults without a background.  Paula White, T.D. Jakes, TBN, Paul Crouch and Benny Hinn should be avoided.  On our end, we need to develop a basic bibliography for new joins.  After these exercises about “Witless Wonders,” like White, we will get to the issues of providing a basic bibliography. 00:00

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Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Purpose Drivel: Detroit, MI and Prescott, AZ "Franchise" Harvest Churches/Franchises Leave MacDonald's Pastorpreneurial, Sectarian, Chicago-based Confederation

Two stories here, noted consecutively.  We're interesting in following what "Purpose Drivel" asserts.  We have two URLs from them below.  The first:  Harvest Bible Church (Detroit, MI).  The second:  Harvest Bible Fellowship (Prescott, AZ).  Both franchise-outlets have pulled out of James MacDonald's "Pastorpreneurial," Chicago-based confederation. 

http://www.purposedrivel.com/2012/02/defectors-from-harvest-bible-fellowship.html

Defectors from the Harvest Bible Fellowship (praise the Lord!)
A Harvest Bible Church in Detroit has jumped off the Harvest Bible Fellowship. They don't seem willing to limit it only to the T D Jakes incident, indicated by the plural "men" in the following paragraph:

Quoting from "
Concerning Our Disassociation With Harvest Bible Fellowship" (bold emphasis added by me)
However, it is with great sadness that our elders have unanimously decided to part ways with Harvest Bible Fellowship. This is not due to any change in our church’s position, but due to what we believe is a change in the Fellowship’s direction. James MacDonald seems insistent in pushing boundaries in the area of associations with men whose ministry philosophy, practice, and even theology we can’t endorse. As a member of HBF, our desire was for good, consistent, conservative leadership from HBF. When we became a member of HBF five years ago this is what we received and this is what we could wholeheartedly endorse; however, in our estimation that has changed. We have been surprised by significant decisions made by James MacDonald (and supported by HBF), resulting in our trust being shaken regarding their guidance as well as future direction as a movement of churches. Despite several personal conversations with HBF leadership, our concerns have not been assuaged.
So how does this gel with James Macdonald's insistence (wrong headed though it is) that you have to go to him privately? (alternate source) It doesn't sound as though he listens then, either. Well, I guess maybe they didn't do it sweetly enough so that Macdonald would be able to recognize his unbiblical definition of love.

Thank you pastors, for taking a stand. I pray you will not back down in the face of the flak you are sure to get. May the Lord grant you continuing courage.
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http://www.purposedrivel.com/2012/02/another-defector-from-harvest-bible.html

Another defector from the Harvest Bible Fellowship (Prescott AZ)
Another church has seen fit to leave Harvest Bible Fellowship! Praise the Lord!A New Season: An update from the Harvest Elders
From the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel of Prescott,
For the past six years we have counted it an immense privilege and blessing to be part of Harvest Bible Fellowship. As an independent local church we have enjoyed wonderful fellowship, gleaned many valuable resources and wisdom, and made many incredible long-lasting relationships.

Over the last 11 months or so, Harvest Bible Chapel Chicago (HBC Chicago) has made statements and taken actions that we strongly believe reflect a change in the direction of critical parts of their ministry. We believe these actions and resulting changes can be categorized into three areas:

ASSOCIATIONS vs. ENDORSEMENTS
We believe that HBC Chicago has begun championing the idea that Christians can associate with those teaching heresy (such as those who engage in teaching the Word of Faith and Prosperity Gospels) without necessarily endorsing them or their ministries, implicitly or explicitly.

Scripture tells us...

2 John 1:9-11, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. [10] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, [11] for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

We strongly believe that when church leaders associate with those teaching false and/or heretical doctrine, it confuses and misleads God's people into potentially dangerous areas of belief and acceptance. Scripture is clear, those who teach heresy are not to be received, much less embraced. We therefore must sharply disagree with HBC Chicago on this matter.
read more at Harvest Bible Chapel Prescott's site,

Ken Silva: "ER2 SHOCKWAVES HIT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL"

 

We generally don't pay significant attention to Baptacostals (except Mahaney) or Anabaptists.  As Confessionally Reformed Anglicans, Prayer Book people, an instant clash along several lines exists. However, we've followed some of the debates over James MacDonald and ER2, that is, "Elephant Room 2" recently hosted by MacDonald.  Ken Silva brings this word.


http://apprising.org/2012/02/29/er2-shockwaves-hit-harvest-bible-chapel/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+apprising%2F2+%28Apprising+Ministries%29


ER2 SHOCKWAVES HIT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL




Apprising Ministries reminds you that the Elephant Room 2 detonated an explosion within evangelicalism and the aftermath continues spreading shockwaves.

No doubt in the coming days we’ll see even more cracks in The Gospel Coalition, Acts 29 Network, Harvest Bible Fellowship.

One shockwave we saw was in James MacDonald, Elephant Room 2, And The Race Card?

Beginning at 4:00 into the video you’ll see it yourself in James MacDonald’s post Post-Elephant Room Interview, Part 1.

In what appears to be an effort to sneak modalism in the back door, we’re essentially told that if we rejct T.D. Jakes as a Christian brother it’s because we’re racist.

Sad, but true. You may know that curator of ER2 was James MacDonald. If you didn’t know, MacDonald is Founding & Senior Pastor, Harvest Bible Chapel and his bio also tells us:
In 2002, a church planting ministry called Harvest Bible Fellowship was born and has given birth to 68 churches across North America and around the world. James’ vision is that God will use him to help plant 1,000 churches in the next 20 years. (Online source)
Well, today comes another casualty of ER2. In A New Season: An update from the Harvest Elders we find Harvest Bible Chapel of Prescott, Arizona is leaving HBF because of the errant direction of James MacDonald:
From the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel of Prescott,
For the past six years we have counted it an immense privilege and blessing to be part of Harvest Bible Fellowship. As an independent local church we have enjoyed wonderful fellowship, gleaned many valuable resources and wisdom, and made many incredible long-lasting relationships.

Over the last 11 months or so, Harvest Bible Chapel Chicago (HBC Chicago) has made statements and taken actions that we strongly believe reflect a change in the direction of critical parts of their ministry. We believe these actions and resulting changes can be categorized into three areas:

ASSOCIATIONS vs. ENDORSEMENTS

We believe that HBC Chicago has begun championing the idea that Christians can associate with those teaching heresy (such as those who engage in teaching the Word of Faith and Prosperity Gospels) without necessarily endorsing them or their ministries, implicitly or explicitly…

THE SLIPPERY SLOPE

We believe HBC Chicago has begun communicating the idea that in these last days, unnecessary divisiveness exists and at its root is overly restrictive adherence to Biblical doctrines, that it is more important, for the sake of unity, to extend grace and loosen strict adherence to Biblical doctrines…


CLARITY vs. CONFUSION

We believe that one of our roles as Elders in Christ’s church is to be diligent in helping bring clarity to God’s people in areas of truth and faith. Since the Elephant Room 1 Conference, we have experienced more and more confusion from Harvest-related events and we believe that the confusion has grown exponentially due to Elephant Room 2…

THE CONCLUSION

Over this time period, we have repeatedly and privately expressed our concern with the leaders of Harvest Bible Fellowship. After many months of prayer and consideration, we have reached a point in time that we believe to continue our association with HBC Chicago would appear to be endorsing their decisions, which would cause confusion for the flock that is under our care. So it is with a heavy heart, out of what we see is our obedience to our responsibility to our Lord to care and shepherd His flock, that we must end our association with HBC Chicago…

For the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ and the good of His flock,

The Elder Team -
Pastor Skip BreyerPastor Jon Gaus
Brad Penner
Tom Perconti
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Online source)