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We are Confessional Calvinists and a Prayer Book Church-people. In 2012, we remembered the 350th anniversary of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer; also, we remembered the 450th anniversary of John Jewel's sober, scholarly, and Reformed "An Apology of the Church of England." In 2013, we remembered the publication of the "Heidelberg Catechism" and the influence of Reformed theologians in England, including Heinrich Bullinger's Decades. For 2014: Tyndale's NT translation. For 2015, John Roger, Rowland Taylor and Bishop John Hooper's martyrdom, burned at the stakes. Books of the month. December 2014: Alan Jacob's "Book of Common Prayer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Common-Prayer-Biography-Religious/dp/0691154813/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417814005&sr=8-1&keywords=jacobs+book+of+common+prayer. January 2015: A.F. Pollard's "Thomas Cranmer and the English Reformation: 1489-1556" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-English-Reformation-1489-1556/dp/1592448658/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420055574&sr=8-1&keywords=A.F.+Pollard+Cranmer. February 2015: Jaspar Ridley's "Thomas Cranmer" at: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Cranmer-Jasper-Ridley/dp/0198212879/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422892154&sr=8-1&keywords=jasper+ridley+cranmer&pebp=1422892151110&peasin=198212879

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Friday, October 26, 2012

SGM-Mahaneygate: Challies, Mohler, Duncan, Piper, Sproul, Carson, Dever, MacArthur, Grudemn, DeYoung, Trueman, Chandler

Co-defendant, C. J. Mahaney, in Child and Sex Abuse Lawsuit


Sage and orbital musings by Brent Detwiler about SGM-Mahaneygate.

http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2012/10/26/random-thoughts-on-recent-events.html

Random Thoughts on Recent Events
Church Polity: This Sunday the Board of Directors will send the polity proposal they adopted to the SGM pastors. I think it will be a combination of Presbyterian and independent. They probably hope it will serve as a distraction from the class action lawsuit.

Challies: I wonder if pro-C.J. blogger, Tim Challies, will tell his readers not to read the lawsuit like he did my documents.

Mohler & Duncan: I wonder if Al Mohler, President of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) and Ligon Duncan, noted Presbyterian churchman, will vilify the plaintiffs and call all the charges in the lawsuit slanderous? That’s what they’ve done in the past with anyone who speaks against C.J.

SBTS Trustees: What does the Board of Trustees at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary think now about the cozy relationship between C.J., SGM and the seminary now? I doubt they’ll make a 100k contribution like C.J. did in 2008 to help cover lawyer’s fees.

C.J.’s Circle of Friends: Will men like John Piper, R.C. Sproul, D.A. Carson, Mark Dever, John MacArthur, Wayne Grudem, Kevin DeYoung, Carl Trueman, Matt Chandler, et al., continue to actively support C.J. by having him speak in their churches, participate in their conferences, endorse his books, etc. It will interesting to see if any of these men grant an interview on the SGM website commending C.J. and SGM until the lawsuit is resolved.

Name of Church: Now would be a good time for any church with Sovereign Grace in their name to change it.

Molestation Policies: Churches need to have policies and procedures in place to protect against child abuse at all church functions (home groups, seminars, retreats), not just on Sunday morning.
   
Sex Offender Register: Every church should have a sex offender register on their website. Require this of your pastors.

Leave of Absence for President and Chairman: The SGM Board of Directors should relieve President Mahaney and Chairman Loftness of their responsibilities until the lawsuit is resolved - not as an admission of guilt but as a precaution.

Mahaney and Loftness Fired: If SGM, Mahaney, and Loftness are successfully sued for covering up child molestation they should be immediately fired by the Board of Directors.

Pastors Who Cover up Molestation: Every church needs to find out how their pastors have handled sexual and spousal abuse in their church in the past. Did they contact the police, etc. Demand an accounting. Church members must find out if sexual abuse was covered up.

Civil Versus Criminal Suit: Think of O.J. Simpson. He was not found guilty in a criminal court but he was found liable in a civil court. One article I read explained it this way. “The burden of proof in criminal matters is ‘beyond a reasonable doubt,’ which is much more difficult to achieve than the ‘preponderance of evidence’ standard used in most civil cases…. The civil justice system does not determine an offender’s guilt or innocence, but works to determine whether the offender is liable for the harm caused to the victim…. This burden of proof essentially means that one side’s evidence must be more persuasive than the other; this is far lower than the burden necessary in a criminal case.”

Monetary and Equitable Relief: “A plaintiff can either ask for monetary relief, or equitable relief. Monetary relief is when the plaintiff asks for a cash award to remedy the situation. Equitable relief is when the plaintiff asks for the court to order the other party to do or not to do something” (“The Difference between Civil Courts and Criminal Courts,” The Leadership Conference). If SGM or any of the defendants are liable, I hope the plaintiff’s ask for both kinds of relief. I assume they can require SGM to take action that prevents the cover up of child molestation in the future.

Liability Insurance: SGM has liability insurance but I don’t believe it covers the kind of malpractice alleged in the class action lawsuit. If I am correct, that means SGM will have to pay all lawyer fees and damages awarded by the court if found liable. That could bankrupt SGM. I assume individual defendants will also have to cover their own their own expenses and damages if found liable. May the innocent be vindicated and the guilty held accountable. I don’t want to see anyone harmed financially or otherwise who is not guilty.
    
Additional Defendants: More defendants should be named in the lawsuit. I can think of a few in light of recent revelations. I’m sure the attorneys are busy taking names and gathering information.

Ambassadors of Reconciliation: Ed Kober and Ed Keinath defended SGM in “Cases Involving Sexual Misconduct” on page 19 as found in their April 10, 2012, Ambassadors of Reconciliatlion Report to the Sovereign Grace Ministries Board of Directors. They said the following. “Some raising their concerns alleged that SGM consistently handles such cases in irresponsible ways. While we did not complete detailed reviews of cases involving sexual misconduct, we were able to review documentation in some situations that demonstrated the SGM leadership understood the gravity of the situations. SGM leaders offered care and concern, they sought professional legal and counseling help for SGM and key leaders involved, and in some cases they helped connect parties to Christian mediators.” This amounted to a complete vindication of Sovereign Grace Ministries. AoR should also be name as a defendant in the lawsuit. If the allegations in the lawsuit are true, then at least some of the plaintiffs made this clear to Ted and Ed. They did nothing but commend SGM in their report.
 
Stop Giving: How can anyone be donating money to Sovereign Grace Ministries? Last year they paid out over 400k to cover the cost for Ambassadors of Reconciliation and the corrupt Three Panel Review. This year they will pay out hundreds of thousands in attorney’s fees to fight the class action lawsuit. And fifteen months later, we still don’t know how much C.J. is compensated even though he promised to reveal it. Approach your pastors and find out if they are still giving your tithe money to SGM. Demand they stop. They should redirect the church’s giving to worthy individuals and organizations.
 
Start New Churches: If your church doesn’t leave Sovereign Grace Ministries, you should consider starting a new church comprised of people who are devoted to love our Lord Jesus in humility, integrity, and truth.

God’s Opposition: I’m sure C.J. and John are telling all their friends and associates that the lawsuit is full of slander. That they are not guilty of covering up child molestation. This much is certain, God continues to oppose the proud in SGM and only the proud in SGM are foolish enough to deny it (Jam 4:6-10, 1 Pet 5:5-6). Being good Calvinists, they shouldn’t blame the devil or people as primary agents. Yet C.J. and the Board present C.J. as the suffering servant who has been victimized by evil doers. They continue to deny God’s sovereign opposition. Pray for C.J. Proverbs 29:1 He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck, will suddenly be broken beyond healing.

My Bitterness: Eleven months out of the year I do okay dealing with temptations to bitterness. October is different. I should be 25 feet up a tree in my beloved deer stand dressed in camo. Instead, I’m on the ground before my computer screen addressing SGM. A bitter man with a bow is not a good combination. By the way, I desperately need some updated broad head arrows. Make a donation so I can put food on my table and overcome my resentment. Help the hungry and pray November allows for hunting. Remember the words of Jesus to Peter. Acts 10:13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”

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Tuesday, October 18, 2011

SGM-Mahaneygate: Cowardly Challies.com

Challies shuts down discussion of SGM-Mahaney-gate.  The absence of "any desire" for scholarly, sustained, tough-minded, historically oriented, and deliberative inquiry is stunning.  Cowardly Challies is suggested. 


http://www.challies.com/interviews/should-you-go-to-t4g


Based on recent events, do you anticipate that C.J. Mahaney will be present and a full-fledged participant?


Tim, I have had the privilege to observe CJ publicly and privately through this very public trial. I can report that CJ is taking the reconciliation process very seriously, fully cooperating and humbly submitting to everything asked of him. More importantly, I have been surprised by the grace that is so evident in his life even as he’s digitally fried through anonymous posts. I can assure you that I would not be nearly as gracious.

Yes, I expect CJ to be present and a full-fledged participant at T4G 2012. He is exactly the kind of man we want to stand with—together for the gospel.

David Kjos 1 comment collapsed CollapseExpand
Memo to those who want to bring up the Mahaney/SGM situation: We're not going there. Period.
Diane 2 comments collapsed                                   
David Kjos--

"Memo to those who want to bring up the Mahaney/SGM situation: We're not going there. Period."

What does that even mean? Why not?



  • David Kjos 1 comment collapsed CollapseExpand
    If you don't know, you probably don't need to know.

    Because this isn't the place for that.

    And that's all I have to say about that.





  • Friday, October 7, 2011

    SGM-Mahaney: Objections to the SGM-Reconciliation Offensive

    http://www.brentdetwiler.com/

    Problems with the AoR Group Reconciliation Process
    I’ve received a ton of inquires like the one below. Steve is exactly right.

    October 07, 2011 12:15 PM
    Brent
    One item that people have brought up about the reconciliation process is that AOR may require as part of the reconciliation process some type of confidentiality agreement. My understanding is that if one enters into the AOR reconciliation process you will be bound to not disclose what is discussed in the reconciliation.

    To me this type of agreement should be a major red flag if it exists. One of the problems with SGM is that SGM has been able to hide their questionable actions and sin for a long time. People haven’t known about their abuses. It appears that AOR would keep people from knowing about various SGM sins.

    What are your thoughts on this?

    Steve
    I also read the following post from Jenn Grover. She’s a perceptive young lady. She gave me permission to publish her comments. I’ve add my own in the brackets [ ] with blue ink.


    A few problems with the SGM/AoR Group Reconciliation Process
    by Jenn Grover on Friday, October 7, 2011 at 8:29am

    Comments were closed on the SGM blog, so I will post my problems with the process here. The more I consider this group reconciliation process, the more insulting it becomes:

    1. In most cases, it is not the grieved [those sinned against] who have failed to understand biblical peacemaking, it has been the leaders [those who sinned].
    [True enough!]

    2. I do not see a biblical mandate that before we go to be reconciled to someone the offended party [those sinned against] must first sit through teaching and coaching to ensure I [those who sinned] get the proper response. Why is the focus still on the response of the people who were hurt and NOT on the people who caused the hurt?

    [I am also concerned what will be taught at the seminar. In my personal dealings, I’ve not found AoR to be impartial. And to be precise, I am more concerned for how they teach the material. What will they emphasize? What will they leave out? What interpretations of Scripture will be questionable? What practices might they impose or confuse with principles? They could skew the seminar in favor of SGM. In other words, people might come under pressure to do things a certain way that is protective of SGM’s interest but does not do justice to the ways people have been sinned against. The seminar may also enjoin upon consciences an understanding of gossip, slander and confidentiality that are foreign to Scripture or unwarranted under the circumstances. AoR needs to emphasize the need for public repentance, confession and restitution from SGM leaders.

    3. “Confidential interviews” = a way for SGM to suppress the breadth of the offenses.
    [I would not recommend anyone agree to an interview with AoR if that means you cannot share your comments with others because you are bound by a confidentiality agreement. The same is true about written documents. You should not swear to keep confidential all information you record on a form AoR asks you to fill out.]

    4. It excuses SGM from the biblical mandate to go and be reconciled and puts the onus on the aggrieved. SGM made a list of people they suspect fall into this category. If they have a list and know those they have been wronged, what has held them back?
    [The SGM Board has a very long list of people wronged going back the last 30 years.]   

    5. There is no evidence that should lead anyone who participates to believe that there has been genuine repentance, therefore, it is unlikely that you would see any type of true restoration occur. SGM has NOT changed their positions on most key issues.
    [I fully agree with Jenn’s assessment. When you study all their public statements there has been little to no admission of wrong. Certainly none of any significance. I plan to write a blog post on this subject.]

    6. There has been no public apology from anyone in SGM for misleading us to the true nature of Larry’s departure. If they cannot even admit wrongdoing in something so heinous why should we expect they will admit it in these more private affairs?
    [Larry misled people. We misled people. I was a part of it. People should have known about the blackmail and other factors. I’ve asked C.J. and the SGM Board to publically explain what happened and acknowledge our sins at the Pastors Conference. I believe Larry would be willing to do the same but that’s impossible since C.J. “uninvited” him to the Pastors Conference and vowed to keep all sins secret.] 

    7. It just feels like another way SGM can say they have done all they could without any real personal sacrifice from them or investment of their own time or resources. Maybe if these leaders had to foot the bill they would feel differently.
    [True. The greater danger is SGM burying all the information AoR gathers through the “Reconciliation Process” by swearing people to an unholy confidentiality or non-disclosure agreement. Don’t do it. Protest.]

    8. Where do you go from the AoR process? It is occurring outside of the church so there is no next step if SGM fails to respond. If there are, in fact, confidentiality agreements, you are left with no further recourse
    [Let there be no doubt, AoR works for SGM. The SGM Board is in control. AoR makes recommendation but they have absolutely no authority. They too are puppets in the hands of SGM. C.J. and the Board cut the CLC pastors out of the process by sending C.J. packing to Capitol Hill Baptist and Mark Dever. He fled the scene of his crimes. Who cares if Josh “sinned” against him especially in light of C.J. sins against Joshua (and the world). Moreover, there are 17 other pastors. The SGM Board removed C.J. from the local church to which he is accountable.]  

    I am still waiting for any real signal that something has fundamentally changed in SGM and it is completely absent.
    [Said like a pro!]